If we vote to Remain what happens?

Moby

Generali wrote: »

You mean you are still waiting for changes to the UK's relationship with the EU? Mr Cameron would argue that he has done that already.

TBH I reckon that for a lot of Brexitiers he could have ridden home on a unicorn with Angela Merkel hogtied and naked on the back carrying the moon on a stick and that wouldn't be enough.

Seriously mate not even call me Daves biggest supporters think he got anything that makes a difference. The negotiations were a sham. He was never ever going to recommend Brexit. He pleaded with Merkel to give him some cover to see him through the referendum. The one thing this campaign has shown is that call me Dave is passionate about the EU. If he seriously thought that Brexit could have all the consequences he is now saying...ww3 etc........are we still going to accept that it was a finely balanced decision for him and he could have swung either way?:rotfl:

HornetSaver

Moby wrote: »

The one thing this campaign has shown is that call me Dave is passionate about the EU. If he seriously thought that Brexit could have all the consequences he is now saying...ww3 etc........are we still going to accept that it was a finely balanced decision for him and he could have swung either way?:rotfl:

Whether you or I believe what's coming from the goverment on the EU at the moment, Cameron undoubtedly does.

So, without disputing any of what you say, what on earth was he doing offering the referendum - even as an election gimmic he thought he was unlikely to have to follow through on - if he thought the consequences of a leave vote would be so catastrophic?

What was he hoping to politically achieve?

To go into opposition so that his successor could demand a referendum only then to back Ed Miliband's position?

To kill UKIP off by calling a referendum on their big issue, only to surrender the Eurosceptic platform to them for the whole country to see?

Should leave win, is he actually hoping to be given credit as a champion of democracy, for knowingly allowing us to vote for something which (according to his own goverment) will cripple us, and ending up on the losing side of the argument?

Should remain win, does he actually believe the Tories will rally around a remotely close result?

michaels

Well it looks like even being at the back of the queue will get us a trade deal with the US quicker than the EU will get one:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36362505

In a TV debate, one of the few things he agreed on with Mr Hofer was that neither would accept TTIP - the free trade deal the EU is negotiating with the US.

michaels

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36375973

As predicted the EU caved to the IMF on Greece debt releif in order to avoid a showdown ahead of the Brexit vote.

mayonnaise

michaels wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36375973

As predicted the EU caved to the IMF on Greece debt releif in order to avoid a showdown ahead of the Brexit vote.

Do you really think the EU and IMF are setting their agenda based on the brexit vote?

michaels

mayonnaise wrote: »

Do you really think the EU and IMF are setting their agenda based on the brexit vote?

Yes if we are talking about tactics rather than strategy?

Do you think the EU would have wanted there to be a Greek crisis in the next 4 weeks if it could have been avoided?

Do you think the IMF realised this?

Given the above when was the best moment for the IMF to put their foot down in negotiations about unrealistic Greek debt levels?

mayonnaise

This is a just the release of another tranche, part of the bailout program agreed back in July 2015, long before a brexit referendum date was set.
But if you want to be paranoid about it, and claim this is part of a wider conspiracy, by all means feel free to do so.

michaels

mayonnaise wrote: »

This is a just the release of another tranche, part of the bailout program agreed back in July 2015, long before a brexit referendum date was set.
But if you want to be paranoid about it, and claim this is part of a wider conspiracy, by all means feel free to do so.

If you say so

Eurozone finance ministers also agreed on debt relief for Greece, extending the repayment period and capping interest rates.

savepete

I think you are overrating the the relationship between the referendum on the UK continuing it's EU membership and deferring a debt write-off for Greece. Greece is not paying interest, so financially there is no difference in delaying the write off. Unlike IMF technocrats, French, German and other politicians have to stand re-elections, you know?

michaels

savepete wrote: »

I think you are overrating the the relationship between the referendum on the UK continuing it's EU membership and deferring a debt write-off for Greece. Greece is not paying interest, so financially there is no difference in delaying the write off. Unlike IMF technocrats, French, German and other politicians have to stand re-elections, you know?

In Brazil they have impeached the president for lying to the electorate. IN Europe apparently fraudulently claiming that some part of the capital lent to Greece is not lost is democracy in action.

Even the BBC recognized that we are talking about a debt write off:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36376836