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If we vote to Remain what happens?

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  • Rinoa
    Rinoa Posts: 2,701 Forumite
    Generali wrote: »
    Really? News of that didn't make the former colonies. Could you name an EU leader that openly mocked Mr Cameron and perhaps provide a link from a reliable source (I'm thinking FT rather than the Mail)?


    Hollande said "Just because the deal took a long time, doesn't mean anything really happened";)

    Hungarian PM, after Dave was telling us how successful his benefits crackdown had been, openly boasted in the Hungarian Parliament "We'll still get benefits without paying in"

    http://order-order.com/2016/02/25/hungarian-pm-boasts-well-still-get-benefits-without-paying-in/

    Any idea when Dave will be delivering all those EU reforms he promised?
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  • mrginge
    mrginge Posts: 4,843 Forumite
    Generali wrote: »
    The removal of the UK from the requirement for ever closer integration is no good?

    Clearly that concept is a nonsense when you put it next to the idea that we will be able to influence decisions by sitting at the same table.

    The other countries can simply ignore our concerns, simply because they know we will opt out of anything we don't like.
  • BobQ
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    HornetSaver wrote: »
    Technically correct.

    Though I find it inconceivable that we could vote to leave the EU in June 2016, and by the time that decision takes effect (June 2018), the leader of the Conservative Party will be someone who backed remaining.

    The trials and tribulations of the Conservative party may yet have more to play out. By 2018, Cameron could have called a General Election and decided to campaign on a back me or sack me pro-EU platform seeking to overturn a miniscule leave referendum majority.

    And yes he might change his mind about stepping down and cite the national interest as his reason.
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  • BobQ
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    michaels wrote: »
    If our brightest and best start to stand for euroopean office rather than UK office it rather lets the cat out of the bag about where the balance of power lies...

    .

    One can only speculate what talent pool would remain to join the UK parliament. :)
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  • BobQ
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    Rinoa wrote: »
    Hollande said "Just because the deal took a long time, doesn't mean anything really happened";)

    Hungarian PM, after Dave was telling us how successful his benefits crackdown had been, openly boasted in the Hungarian Parliament "We'll still get benefits without paying in"

    http://order-order.com/2016/02/25/hungarian-pm-boasts-well-still-get-benefits-without-paying-in/

    Any idea when Dave will be delivering all those EU reforms he promised?

    Gen said a reputable source.......
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  • BobQ
    BobQ Posts: 11,181 Forumite
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    BobQ wrote: »
    Gen said a reputable source.......

    Le Figaro, front-page editorial

    If Britain remains in the EU on the conditions it has been offered, it kills it. If it leaves, it kills it too … As it is not combined with a project of collective relaunch, the Brussels compromise puts the worm into the fruit
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  • Rinoa
    Rinoa Posts: 2,701 Forumite
    BobQ wrote: »
    Gen said a reputable source.......

    There's a video of the Hungarian PM gleefully pronouncing "Cameron got nothing" How reputable a source do you want?
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  • BobQ
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    Rinoa wrote: »
    There's a video of the Hungarian PM gleefully pronouncing "Cameron got nothing" How reputable a source do you want?

    You call that Gleeful? It is an edited video with a translation of unknown accuracy in a pro-Brexit blog showing a man who is in favour of tightening up benefit abuse in the EU. "Cameron got nothing" is not in the video.
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  • Rinoa
    Rinoa Posts: 2,701 Forumite
    BobQ wrote: »
    You call that Gleeful? It is an edited video with a translation of unknown accuracy in a pro-Brexit blog showing a man who is in favour of tightening up benefit abuse in the EU. "Cameron got nothing" is not in the video.

    Well, it's not going to be front page in the Guardian is it.

    Google it yourself. Or maybe a google translation if it bothers you so.
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  • kabayiri
    kabayiri Posts: 22,740 Forumite
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    BobQ wrote: »
    Le Figaro, front-page editorial

    If Britain remains in the EU on the conditions it has been offered, it kills it.
    ...
    Isn't that a bit overdramatic?

    What proof is there that a set of mild concessions will kill the EU?

    Why would they accept something which would be so damaging?

    The problem with comments from any of the European premiers is that you don't know if they are playing to the gallery back home. This is just as true with Cameron.

    Voters across Europe all claim to be pro-EU, but they all want to win the best deal above the others. It seems a natural conflict.
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