If we vote to Remain what happens?

mrginge

HornetSaver wrote: »

There is an obscure, media-shy fellow by the name of David Cameron who might disagree with you on that one.

Well I must have missed that. What has he said?

Rinoa

mrginge wrote: »

Well I must have missed that. What has he said?

March 2014:

A year ago, in a speech at Bloomberg, I set out my plan to reform the European Union and change Britain’s relationship with it. Britain is not alone in our view that change is needed. No one has argued harder than Angela Merkel that the European Union needs to reform if it is to compete in the modern world. My Dutch counterpart has coined the phrase “Europe if necessary, national when possible”. We share a view that the status quo is not working, and we intend to change it.

I completely understand and share people’s concerns about the European Union. Our businesses value the single market. But they find the degree of European interference in our everyday life excessive. People are worried that Britain is being sucked into a United States of Europe; that may be what some others want, but it is not for us. They see decisions being taken far away, rather than by their elected representatives in Parliament. And they worry that European rules have allowed people to claim benefits without ever working here. As a result, democratic consent for Britain’s membership has worn wafer thin.

And although it would not be a very smart negotiating tactic to lay all Britain’s cards on the table at the outset, I know people want more detail about the specific changes we will seek. So I can confirm today that tackling these concerns will be at the heart of our approach.

We're still waiting Dave.

Generali

Rinoa wrote: »

March 2014:



We're still waiting Dave.

You mean you are still waiting for changes to the UK's relationship with the EU? Mr Cameron would argue that he has done that already.

TBH I reckon that for a lot of Brexitiers he could have ridden home on a unicorn with Angela Merkel hogtied and naked on the back carrying the moon on a stick and that wouldn't be enough.

michaels

Generali wrote: »

You mean you are still waiting for changes to the UK's relationship with the EU? Mr Cameron would argue that he has done that already.

TBH I reckon that for a lot of Brexitiers he could have ridden home on a unicorn with Angela Merkel hogtied and naked on the back carrying the moon on a stick and that wouldn't be enough.

Where as instead he gave up a veto over faster european integration for some temporary minor restrictions on paying in work benefits to eu migrants. Personally I think we had a better deal before his renegotiation.

Generali

michaels wrote: »

Where as instead he gave up a veto over faster european integration for some temporary minor restrictions on paying in work benefits to eu migrants. Personally I think we had a better deal before his renegotiation.

The removal of the UK from the requirement for ever closer integration is no good?

Out of interest, what do you think happens as a result of Brexit? What is the potential gain for the UK and what do you see as the risks?

Rinoa

Generali wrote: »

You mean you are still waiting for changes to the UK's relationship with the EU? Mr Cameron would argue that he has done that already.

Well, most political observers said "is that it?" And he was openly mocked by some EU leaders.

And whatever happened to:

A year ago, in a speech at Bloomberg, I set out my plan to reform the European Union

Laughable isn't it.

From his speech in 2013 he listed all the woes of the EU and then said:

And my point is this. More of the same will not secure a long-term future for the Eurozone. More of the same will not see the European Union keeping pace with the new powerhouse economies. More of the same will not bring the European Union any closer to its citizens. More of the same will just produce more of the same - less competitiveness, less growth, fewer jobs.

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/eu-speech-at-bloomberg

Well, 'more of the same' is what we ended up with Dave.

Cameron is good at promises, but over time we've come to realise he very rarely delivers on them.

Generali

Rinoa wrote: »

And he was openly mocked by some EU leaders.

Really? News of that didn't make the former colonies. Could you name an EU leader that openly mocked Mr Cameron and perhaps provide a link from a reliable source (I'm thinking FT rather than the Mail)?

mwpt

Generali wrote: »

Really? News of that didn't make the former colonies. Could you name an EU leader that openly mocked Mr Cameron and perhaps provide a link from a reliable source (I'm thinking FT rather than the Mail)?

Of course the mainstream papers won't report the mocking because they are pro EU and in cahoots with Juncker et al. You sheeple just can't see the wool for the trees, or something.

dunstonh

As regards Scotland, it won't trigger another demand for a referendum unless the polls suggest a Yes majority of somewhere around 60% upwards, if not more. I suspect Nichola's not an idiot and will only call for it when it suits her.

And that ship may well have sailed. SNP do rather well on blaming Westminster for all Scotland's problems and promising a land of milk and honey if they left the union (somewhat similar to the brexit campaign which blames Europe and promises freedom). However, it will continue to get harder for the SNP to blame Westminster and people in Scotland - as I don't think the rest of the Union are fooled - will see the SNP no differently to the other parties and the urge to separate will decline.

Looking ahead, I fear both options:
Brexit wins - EU will take a hard line against the UK to show others the consequences of leaving
Remain wins - EU will take it as a signal that the UK has voted for greater integration and will think everyone is OK with the EU and that we approve.

Generali

mwpt wrote: »

Of course the mainstream papers won't report the mocking because they are pro EU and in cahoots with Juncker et al. You sheeple just can't see the wool for the trees, or something.

A minuted meeting would do too.

I'm interested to see in what way Mr Cameron was mocked.