EU Brexit impact - Treasury Analysis

maxie014

Not surprised the farmers are all for the eu,they ride round my way in their big beemers and mercs with a buy British meat sticker in the back window and have done for years.

Rinoa

Wow. What an admission.

Too late now, we're off.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36087022

BobQ

Brexit supports are I fear in denial.

There are loads of organisations queuing up to say leaving is a bad idea with such diverse pedegrees (Labour, Liberal, Green, SNP, every world leader apart from Putin, OECD, CBI, Unite, NFU, the sensible part of the Tory Party, Jeremy Clarkson, NIESR, Engineering Employers Federation, Society of Motor Manufacturers)

Those favouring it are UKIP, the extreme elements of the Tory Party, Putin, most of the press, a few political hasbeens and the RMT.

The youth of this country really need to get off their backsides and vote against those who are risking the future of this country.

Shakethedisease

BobQ wrote: »

Brexit supports are I fear in denial.

There are loads of organisations queuing up to say leaving is a bad idea with such diverse pedegrees (Labour, Liberal, Green, SNP, every world leader apart from Putin, OECD, CBI, Unite, NFU, the sensible part of the Tory Party, Jeremy Clarkson, NIESR, Engineering Employers Federation, Society of Motor Manufacturers)

Those favouring it are UKIP, the extreme elements of the Tory Party, Putin, most of the press, a few political hasbeens and the RMT.

The youth of this country really need to get off their backsides and vote against those who are risking the future of this country.

I think the problem is that the Tory's took votes off UKIP in the General Election by promising this referendum. Many voted Conservative because they saw it as the only chance to vote out. Cameron himself said many times that if the UK didn't get a good deal, he wouldn't be and I quote 'ruling anything out'. Hinting that he was open to advocating a Leave vote should the deal not be in the UK's favour. The press have been ramping up anti-Eu stories for years now with full Conservative backing in order to give the last Labour government a good retro-kicking for their 'open doors' policies.

The Remain camp and Cameron/Osborne are having a little trouble trying to reverse their own very recent narratives.

Getting younger people and Labour leaning support out to vote is probably key as you say. One however, that was sadly lacking in the last General Election especially when it comes to current Labour leaning support. A lot of the north went a bit UKIP which is a little worrying for Remain in terms of this vote. Everyone knows Corbyn's heart really isn't in this one, he's been a euro sceptic for too long.

Is all a bit too 'deja vu' in Scotland at the present time and we've seen all these headlines and arguments before. While the BBC will stay on message the fact that the media isn't 100% behind Remain will become a big problem. It only takes a tag line such as '3 million immigrant surge' to be repeated a few times in order to become a 'fact'. Especially for those with little interest in twitter or social media.

Even the BBC are saying Osborne's figures are not correct. Remain really need to get a handle on the immigrant question. Start pushing some positives, and stop trying to repeat Scotland 2014. It's a very different referendum.

Reality Check verdict: The precise figure is questionable and probably not particularly helpful.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36073201

Generali

Rinoa wrote: »

Wow. What an admission.

Too late now, we're off.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36087022

We'll see about the off bit.

To be fair to the man, subsidiarity has been a long, ongoing challenge to the EU and one which they have taken substantial steps to address. One of the balances is how do you keep the single market intact and functioning while maintaining regional differences? This isn't a trivial challenge and I'm sure the EU gets it wrong sometimes. That doesn't mean that the whole EU is useless.

mayonnaise

Miss_Samantha wrote: »

Michael Gove......

At last, finally, someone from the brexit camp gives us a glimpse of our future post brexit.

It's not the Norwegian model, nor the Swiss one...

...it's the Albanian model! :rotfl:

(or the Ukrainian or Bosnian one)

michaels

mayonnaise wrote: »

At last, finally, someone from the brexit camp gives us a glimpse of our future post brexit.

It's not the Norwegian model, nor the Swiss one...

...it's the Albanian model! :rotfl:

(or the Ukrainian or Bosnian one)

I thought his direct quote was that we would be a North Atlantic North Korea but by all means bring in your own project fear suggestions :rotfl:

Alan_Brown

mayonnaise wrote: »

At last, finally, someone from the brexit camp gives us a glimpse of our future post brexit.

It's not the Norwegian model, nor the Swiss one...

...it's the Albanian model! :rotfl:

(or the Ukrainian or Bosnian one)

Or the UK one, where a country of 64 million consumers (not 5m like Norway or 8M like Switzerland) and a total GDP of $2.678 trillion (not the Norwegian $512.6 billion, or the Swiss $685.4 billion) can negotiate it's own individual deal.

This is before we consider the markets that the UK opens up do to our historical ties and existing trade deals, such as the US, China, India, Aus, NZ, Canada).

It's disingenuous to represent the UK as being the same as much smaller and much more isolated countries as Norway and Switzerland. They got the best deal they could, corresponding to their possible contribution to the EU. The UK is a much different beast, and it'd be nice if the Remainers stopped talking this country down and instead talked up the EU (if that is indeed possible).

Perhaps if the UK leaves, the other EU affiliated countries may renegotiate their own deals, this time from a position of power now that the EU needs them as much as they need the EU.

michaels

Alan_Brown wrote: »

Or the UK one, where a country of 64 million consumers (not 5m like Norway or 8M like Switzerland) and a GDP per Capita of $2.678 trillion (not the Norwegian $512.6 billion, or the Swiss $685.4 billion) can negotiate it's own individual deal.

This is before we consider the markets that the UK opens up do to our historical ties and existing trade deals, such as the US, China, India, Aus, NZ, Canada).

It's disingenuous to represent the UK as being the same as much smaller and much more isolated countries as Norway and Switzerland. They got the best deal they could, corresponding to their possible contribution to the EU. The UK is a much different beast, and it'd be nice if the Remainers stopped talking this country down and instead talked up the EU (if that is indeed possible).

Perhaps if the UK leaves, the other EU affiliated countries may renegotiate their own deals, this time from a position of power now that the EU needs them as much as they need the EU.

Per Capita? No wonder everyone else seems so much richer than us

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Alan_Brown wrote: »

Or the UK one, where a country of 64 million consumers.

Remind me again, how well has that worked for another country that has spent a couple of decades engaging with the EU looking for better deals - Turkey - with it's 75m consumers?

Do they have a better deal than Norway or Switzerland currently?