EU Brexit impact - Treasury Analysis

Alan_Brown

mwpt wrote: »

Speaking in terms of positivity, what specific problems are you hoping to address by leaving? I have consumed all the debates about making our own laws and immigration, but I'm looking for specifics. What will be the first actions and new laws which you would implement on leaving and what specific problems would they solve? In what way will our lives be better a few years after leaving the EU?

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Alan_Brown wrote: »

Well, only having elected MEPs on the EU commission would be a step forward. A further step forward would be for a similar setup that we have in the UK (and other European parliaments) where Private member Bills can be raised and voted on. Democracy is not served if all of the laws are created by an unelected body.

However, my solution is that we should leave the EU, which would be better for us and better for the EU. They'll then be able to make the sort of reforms that are necessary to make the Euro work (full fiscal and monetary union) without the UK acting as an Anchor. They'll be more financially secure and have an increasing GDP, which will be good for us too as we export to the EU.

This halfway in, halfway out approach is bad for everyone. It's dangerous for the EU because the Euro simply will not work correctly without closer union and it's dangerous for the UK because if the Euro fails, it will drag down the UK as well.

After listening to Remain campaigners wax lyrical about the benefits of the EU, I always ask the same question "Should the UK have full membership of the EU, including Schengen and adopting the EURO?" I've never had one of them say yes. They are voting for a status quo that puts the brake on the EU and puts all of us at risk.

Generali

Alan_Brown wrote: »

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One question:

What next?

No Brexiteer has answered this yet. Please help a simple Remainiac or are you just a Brexidiot?

mayonnaise

'BREXIT UNCERTAINTY ‘CAUSES U.K. UNEMPLOYMENT TO RISE TO 1.7 MILLION’

http://europe.newsweek.com/brexit-uncertainty-causes-uk-unemployment-rise-17-million-450074?rm=eu

Alan_Brown

Generali wrote: »

One question:

What next?

No Brexiteer has answered this yet. Please help a simple Remainiac or are you just a Brexidiot?

Initially it'll be business as usual because we will still be in the EU. We don't leave on the day of an 'No' vote, we leave when we decide to. We will have plenty of time to agree free trade agreements with the EU and with other countries before we go out on our own.

The idea that we vote No and are immediately set adrift is just another tactic of Project Fear remainers to scare people into thinking anarchy will reign. It won't because it's in no one's interest (UK or EU) to do so.

mwpt

Alan_Brown wrote: »

Initially it'll be business as usual because we will still be in the EU. We don't leave on the day of an 'No' vote, we leave when we decide to. We will have plenty of time to agree free trade agreements with the EU and with other countries before we go out on our own.

The idea that we vote No and are immediately set adrift is just another tactic of Project Fear remainers to scare people into thinking anarchy will reign. It won't because it's in no one's interest (UK or EU) to do so.

But what is the first sign I will notice in my daily life that we are not in the EU? What will be the consequences to us, as human beings in the UK over the next unfolding years? What specifics would make my life better so that if I could, I would vote brexit?

Alan_Brown

mwpt wrote: »

But what is the first sign I will notice in my daily life that we are not in the EU? What will be the consequences to us, as human beings in the UK over the next unfolding years? What specifics would make my life better so that if I could, I would vote brexit?

What signs do you currently have in your daily life that you are in the EU? What specifics of EU membership make your life better so that you want to vote to stay?

The politicians talk of increased power and prestige. Do you see any of that power and prestige? Do you even want it? All it seems is that we get dragged into illegal foreign wars that we have no business with and which we cannot afford.

The ordinary man on the street just wants to get on with their quiet lives, and this will happen regardless of whether we are part of the EU or not.

mwpt

Alan_Brown wrote: »

What signs do you currently have in your daily life that you are in the EU? What specifics of EU membership make your life better so that you want to vote to stay?

I'd appreciate it if you could answer my question.

Rinoa

mayonnaise wrote: »

'BREXIT UNCERTAINTY ‘CAUSES U.K. UNEMPLOYMENT TO RISE TO 1.7 MILLION’

http://europe.newsweek.com/brexit-uncertainty-causes-uk-unemployment-rise-17-million-450074?rm=eu

EU unemployment is around 10%

European countries not in EU around 3%.

Alan_Brown

mwpt wrote: »

I'd appreciate it if you could answer my question.

I already did, it's in the bit you cut out:

"The politicians talk of increased power and prestige. Do you see any of that power and prestige? Do you even want it? All it seems is that we get dragged into illegal foreign wars that we have no business with and which we cannot afford.

The ordinary man on the street just wants to get on with their quiet lives, and this will happen regardless of whether we are part of the EU or not."

Unless you're a politician or part of the top 1%, you won't see much of a difference whether we're in the EU or not.

mayonnaise

Rinoa wrote: »

EU unemployment is around 10%

European countries not in EU around 3%.

I can only think of three. Norway, Iceland and Switzerland.
But these 'models' have been explicitly dismissed by the leave campaign.
Instead, Gove yesterday put his weight behind the Albanian option.

Britain will move outside the EU’s single market and instead join “Bosnia, Serbia, Albania and Ukraine” in a European free-trade zone if voters choose Brexit in June’s referendum

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d0e88d1a-0624-11e6-9b51-0fb5e65703ce.html#axzz46HOCK8NT
Shall we look up unemployment rates in Bosnia, Serbia, Albania and Ukraine?