Cameron Tax Dodger

chucknorris

Moby wrote: »

But I was being told that morals don't come into it....it was just facts and law. Can't see why I brought it on myself....that would be accepting their moral relativism surely? For instance did you see Question Time last night? Look at the latest polling taken as well:-
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

Many people think like me it seems and I just can't see how its just that we are all stupid over the issue. I think its more that...you tend to get this forum predominately peopled by individuals who have very specific attitudes towards the issue of tax.

You need to stop digging.

It is mid term for the Tories, you would expect them to not shine too much in the odd poll, I would rather pay more attention to the betfair market for the next general election (most seats won) which is currently approximately:

4/9 Tories
5/2 Labour

N1AK

Moby wrote: »

You're just on a wind up! I thought my pension scheme, (LGPS) was based on this Country's tax law....am I wrong?

So when you avoid tax suddenly what matters is what's legal not what's moral; but you criticise others legal tax avoidance based on the morality. Talk about a blatant hypocrite.

Moby

CLAPTON wrote: »

what I said is that you and cameron and livingstone and the Benns are all reducing their tax burden legally
1.Because your only value system is tribal loyalty to the Labour party, you choose to ignore all the issues about tax avoidance, except accuse Cameron of cheating (even though you clearly do not even understand the issues.
2.And by the way, you you want to remove the tax free status of spouse transfers or only just for the Tories?[/QUOTE]

1.Was with you until this point....but then you stereotyped me as usual!

2.That's not the issue I raised in reference to Cameron being a scum bag. Clapton your trick is to selectively choose a point made and pull it out of context of the general argument I raised and repeated above about three times.....time and time again you do this!

chewmylegoff

Moby wrote: »

So basically you and Clapton are saying that because I am in the LGPS I am milking the system ...whereas what Cameron did isn't. That's absolute nonsense! The two are not comparable. You're just on a wind up! I thought my pension scheme, (LGPS) was based on this Country's tax law....am I wrong?

yes your actions were entirely legal, you have complied with the letter of the law.

However, your actions led you to avoid tax because your employee pension contributions into the scheme are made from your gross salary before tax is applied.

Cameron paid tax on his income and then he invested some of that taxed income by buying shares in an investment fund. He paid tax on the income he earned from the investment fund and declared the capital gain for tax purposes.

He hasn't "milked the system" at all. He hasn't done anything which avoids a penny of tax by making this investment. He could have taken the same action as you and avoided tax at a rate of 40% but he didn't. He could have put the the money in an ISA before investing it in the fund which would have avoided tax on the income from the fund, but he didn't.

He hasn't avoided any tax but you call him an immoral tax avoider. You have avoided tax but you think that's fine because you are complying with the law.

Your position re: his actions continues to be odd - it's a bit like saying that someone should have their driving licence taken away from them for speeding when they have been clocked doing 28mph in 30mph zone because you suspect that, even though they were not speeding at all, they must have been speeding on another occasion because you don't like their face.

antrobus

Tromking wrote: »

'Free at the point of need' as the old NHS maxim says.
Beautiful.

No, it's 'free at the point of delivery'.

If you are going to quote old Conservative white papers, you should at least get it right.:)

mwpt

chewmylegoff wrote: »

Your position re: his actions continues to be odd - it's a bit like saying that someone should have their driving licence taken away from them for speeding when they have been clocked doing 28mph in 30mph zone because you suspect that, even though they were not speeding at all, they must have been speeding on another occasion because you don't like their face.

Gold. I actually laughed out loud.

Generali

N1AK wrote: »

So when you avoid tax suddenly what matters is what's legal not what's moral; but you criticise others legal tax avoidance based on the morality. Talk about a blatant hypocrite.

You're covering old ground for Moby here friend. Moby is a massive hypocrite in his/her finances, his/her politics and his/her stance on political leaders' finances (Mr Corbyn has been showed to have lied to the taxman and we've not had a peep on that).

I bet (s)he even has an ISA or two, probably invested in offshore funds like the Vanguard trackers highlighted on this board.

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

CLAPTON wrote: »

what I said is that you and cameron and livingstone and the Benns are all reducing their tax burden legally
1.Because your only value system is tribal loyalty to the Labour party, you choose to ignore all the issues about tax avoidance, except accuse Cameron of cheating (even though you clearly do not even understand the issues.
2.And by the way, you you want to remove the tax free status of spouse transfers or only just for the Tories?[/QUOTE]

1.Was with you until this point....but then you stereotyped me as usual!

2.That's not the issue I raised in reference to Cameron being a scum bag. Clapton your trick is to selectively choose a point made and pull it out of context of the general argument I raised and repeated above about three times.....time and time again you do this!

So why do you ignore the Benn family trust ?
or the 5 million Benn estate with little tax paid
or Livingstone tax reduction methods
or refuse to say whether you support or reject tax free transfers between spouse

how is saying the truth about your posts 'stereotyping' anyone.

why do you refuse to discuss any matter of principle or policies and solely choose only to criticise Tories (often totally ill informed too)

Tromking

antrobus wrote: »

No, it's 'free at the point of delivery'.

If you are going to quote old Conservative white papers, you should at least get it right.:)

Same thing!:)

Generali

Tromking wrote: »

Same thing!:)

Not really. I don't need to see a GP about a cold but I wouldn't pay the NHS if I did.