Cameron Tax Dodger

princeofpounds

Or Margaret Hodge's Stemcor holdings?


Or Labour's 'Business Tsar' who actually does own a Cayman incorporated company?


http://order-order.com/2016/04/14/labour-business-tsars-firm-incorporated-in-caymans/


(Note I don't think there is anything wrong with that, although it's a cheeky if you also happen to be a non-dom, which is where the main scam lies in the UK, I just hate smears and hypocrisy)

antrobus

Tromking wrote: »

Same thing!:)

No it isn't! Delivery is not a synonym for need. You are confusing your principles.

Willink's three principles where that the NHS should be; (1) comprehensive (available to all), (2) free at the point of delivery (or use), and, (3) based on clinical need not ability to pay.

It's all in the 1944 white paper.

Moby

CLAPTON wrote: »

Moby wrote: »

So why do you ignore the Benn family trust ?
or the 5 million Benn estate with little tax paid
or Livingstone tax reduction methods
or refuse to say whether you support or reject tax free transfers between spouse

...because they are different.

how is saying the truth about your posts 'stereotyping' anyone

.
Your 'truth' isn't the truth!

why do you refuse to discuss any matter of principle or policies and solely choose only to criticise Tories (often totally ill informed too

Why do you refuse to respond to what someone says to you and then reply with the same mantra?

Moby

chewmylegoff wrote: »

yes your actions were entirely legal, you have complied with the letter of the law.

However, your actions led you to avoid tax because your employee pension contributions into the scheme are made from your gross salary before tax is applied.

Cameron paid tax on his income and then he invested some of that taxed income by buying shares in an investment fund. He paid tax on the income he earned from the investment fund and declared the capital gain for tax purposes.

He hasn't "milked the system" at all. He hasn't done anything which avoids a penny of tax by making this investment. He could have taken the same action as you and avoided tax at a rate of 40% but he didn't. He could have put the the money in an ISA before investing it in the fund which would have avoided tax on the income from the fund, but he didn't.

He hasn't avoided any tax but you call him an immoral tax avoider. You have avoided tax but you think that's fine because you are complying with the law.

Your position re: his actions continues to be odd - it's a bit like saying that someone should have their driving licence taken away from them for speeding when they have been clocked doing 28mph in 30mph zone because you suspect that, even though they were not speeding at all, they must have been speeding on another occasion because you don't like their face.

Again and again you dodge the point I made re. this issue and repeat the same argument. He is a scum bag because he didn't want us to know about his actions. It had to be dragged out of him and this attests to what image he has tried to present. His public persona if you will.... and I'm saying he is a fraud. I know you don't agree but my point isn't over the detail of the tax law, it's over his actions and behaviour! I've said this in my posts time and time again!

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

Again and again you dodge the point I made re. this issue and repeat the same argument. He is a scum bag because he didn't want us to know about his actions. It had to be dragged out of him and this attests to what image he has tried to present. His public persona if you will.... and I'm saying he is a fraud. I know you don't agree but my point isn't over the detail of the tax law, it's over his actions and behaviour! I've said this in my posts time and time again!

Did Tony Benn give full details of his tax affairs?
Has Hilary Benn give full details?
Has Ken Liveringstone?
Has Corbyn given full details of his inheritance and the tax circumstances?
Have Labour committed to transparentcy in all tax afffairs for MPs and similar?
Clearly they haven't. Why aren't these scumbags too ?
Well they are different : they are Labour

As you say the issue isn't over the detail of tax law but the fact you dislike Cameron because he is Tory and nothing else.
Your only coherent position is disliking Tories and nothing else.

Moby

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/15/zac-goldsmith-did-not-declare-family-interest-in-green-grant-cuts
Tut Tut

...........and one for Generali:-

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/davehillblog/2016/apr/14/london-mayor-goldsmith-attacks-backfire-as-repellent-imams-tory-links-emerge

....are the wheels falling off the millionaire Zac's campaign?

chewmylegoff

Moby wrote: »

Again and again you dodge the point I made re. this issue and repeat the same argument. He is a scum bag because he didn't want us to know about his actions. It had to be dragged out of him and this attests to what image he has tried to present. His public persona if you will.... and I'm saying he is a fraud. I know you don't agree but my point isn't over the detail of the tax law, it's over his actions and behaviour! I've said this in my posts time and time again!

Why is he a scumbag because he didn't tell the entire world that he had done something which was not only completely legal but also avoided no tax. You wouldn't expect him to announce to everyone each month when he received his salary that he had just received an amount net of tax. you wouldn't expect him to tell you he had just got some interest in a bank account or a dividend payment from a FTSE100 tracker.

You continually dodge the fact that there has been no tax avoidance whatsoever. It is difficult to see why someone is immoral because they didn't disclose that they hadn't avoided any tax at an earlier point in time.

His announcements were clearly a bungling PR disaster but incompetence with regards to media engagement and immorality regarding one's tax affairs are rather different concepts.

Jeremy Corbyn misled everyone by publishing his tax return which materially understated his income. That seems pretty immoral as he was trying to make himself out to be less wealthy than he really is.

Moby

CLAPTON wrote: »

Did Tony Benn give full details of his tax affairs?
Has Hilary Benn give full details?
Has Ken Liveringstone?
Has Corbyn given full details of his inheritance and the tax circumstances?
Have Labour committed to transparentcy in all tax afffairs for MPs and similar?
Clearly they haven't. Why aren't these scumbags too ?
Well they are different : they are Labour

As you say the issue isn't over the detail of tax law but the fact you dislike Cameron because he is Tory and nothing else.
Your only coherent position is disliking Tories and nothing else.

You are talking absolute claptrap mate....go outside and get some fresh air. Why do you care so much what I think anyway....it's a tad weird.:o

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/15/zac-goldsmith-did-not-declare-family-interest-in-green-grant-cuts
Tut Tut

...........and one for Generali:-

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/davehillblog/2016/apr/14/london-mayor-goldsmith-attacks-backfire-as-repellent-imams-tory-links-emerge

....are the wheels falling off the millionaire Zac's campaign?

let us try to guess : has Moby posted about is a Labour politician or a Tory one ?

No comments on Benns/Liverstones /Corbyn tax affairs then Moby?

and you are still too cowardly (or ignorant ) to answer the question of whether there should be tax free transfers between legal spouses (note you condemned Camerons parents for using this legal device)

Moby

chewmylegoff wrote: »

His announcements were clearly a bungling PR disaster but incompetence with regards to media engagement and immorality regarding one's tax affairs are rather different concepts.

You really are naive mate. In no way was it 'incompetence'. It was premeditated dissembling to avoid the fury that followed. He knew how it would be seen. Can't you see that?

Jeremy Corbyn misled everyone by publishing his tax return which materially understated his income. That seems pretty immoral as he was trying to make himself out to be less wealthy than he really is.

The problem with Jezza is that he's too straight and rather slow in some ways. He doen't dissemble at all ...that's partly why he isn't a good leader. He claims amongst the lowest expenses of any MP. He is not motivated by money/financial advantage in any way. He is the true idealist. Whereas Cameron is a liar and a fraud...... which sadly in this world makes him a more effective leader in some ways because it enables him to square the divisions within his own party. He's like the master of the art who he learned this from.....Tony Blair!