Cameron Tax Dodger

BobQ

Generali wrote: »

He hasn't done anything immoral though.

He even holds most of his personal wealth in cash. It's hard to think of a less tax efficient way for Mr Cameron to manage his affairs.

This entire affair is ridiculous, manufactured by people that don't like Tories to hoodwink the gullible.

My views on this affair are not sympathetic to Cameron but I will say that many of those who criticise him are motived by a "damage Dave, help Brexit" approach. Also I doubt he has done anything different to large numbers of the Conservative MPs (and maybe a few others).. But as you say its all legal and moral based on what has been declared.

Let me ask you a question. Do you think that Cameron could have published the accountant's letter while knowing that he is a future beneficiary of a trust that will be created at some point in the future (eg the day he leaves Parliament)?

System

Moby you've had a mare in this thread.

CLAPTON

tony benn, poor man of the left had £5 million when he died

by cleverly enabled his children, including the tax dodger Hilary, to avoid tax (legally of course but what about the moral side of this): by these manipulations, the Benn family deprived thousands of elderly people a decent final few years of life.

what a scumbag.

Generali

mwpt wrote: »

I got half way through that article and had to stop. Someone please tell me if it gets better than this when trying to take a pot shot at living within your means:



What an absolute load of drivel. Sadly, that is what the left wing amounts to these days in the UK, drivel.

The TL;DR version is that Conservatives are immoral, prostitute murdering people with mental health problems.

Moby

chewmylegoff wrote: »

So, just to be clear, you have no knowledge of what tax he might have avoided by investing offshore but you are calling him a tax dodger anyway.

1. I agree he should have just said everything that he has now said in the first place. This isn't tax avoidance though.

So we are getting somewhere with you now!You dont get to define the charge though. Whether its tax avoidance or not he twisted himself in contortions to avoid being up front....WHY!

2. The reason he didn't pay CGT is that it wasn't due because the gain was not large enough. This is clearly consistent with "the normal way" of paying tax in the UK. I assume that you don't send the govt a cheque each year for the tax that would have been due if your personal allowance for income tax did not exist. Do you think Cameron should have paid CGT even though none was due? If so, why? What other taxes should he pay that aren't due?

Yes .....but what happened to the money while it was in Blairmore? What levels of tax was it subject to then? Why was it in Blairmore in the first place?

Are you trying to imply that Cameron sold his holding at undervalue in order to avoid tax? If so this would be a rather stupid thing to do given that he would lose more money than he avoided in tax. I think we can put that "theory" to bed.

Have no idea what you are talking about and I doubt you do either!

3. Why should the PM disclose his mother's tax affairs to the world. I have no idea how my mother's tax affairs are arranged. What business is it of Cameron's to comment on this subject. If Cameron's mother murdered someone would that make him ineligible to hold public office?

Because he is a politician who is making decisions about other peoples lives and inferring that we have lots of malingerers and benefit cheats in our midst....so the standards of purity therefore have to be much higher for him....it's not difficult is it mate!

4. The same - how is he expected to know. I received inheritance from a family member - why do you think I should be able to know exactly what the source of those funds was? As it happens I have no idea and no way of finding out as he is dead.... Receiving inheritance monies does not make you privvy to all of the personal records of the person you got the money from.

See previous answer....Its no coincidence he sold his interest at the time he became PM.....he knew it would be an issue!

5. What should he have done? If your mother gave you a gift of £200,000 what would you do? Give it back? Pay tax on it even though no tax is due? I bet you wouldn't write a cheque for £80,000 out to HMRC. Why should any person who has received a gift pay tax on it? There is no gift tax in the UK.

Why didn't we know about it? Why hasnt he been open. Why has it had to be dragged out of him. Do you think he always planned to release this information in this way?

Your position is rather irrelevant isn't it? The fact that you can't get a payrise and the fact that your employer has robust controls around expenses doesn't make Cameron an immoral tax avoider. To do that he would have had to both avoid tax, immorally. There is no need to consider morality as he hasn't avoided any tax.

You just dont get it do you. My position is not irrelevant to me and to thousands of others. You may work in an industry which deems such practices acceptable and/or moral....I don't!

You are twisting yourself in so many knots to defend him that you dont know what the truth is anymore.:rotfl:

Moby

Generali wrote: »

The TL;DR version is that Conservatives are immoral, prostitute murdering people with mental health problems.

https://www.byline.com/column/51/article/950
I knew about this .......but of course the tory tabloids were dangling it above Whittingdale so as the Culture, Arts and Media Secretary he would not act on Leveson. He should resign as well. Read this:-
'The Editor of The Independent, Amol Rajan decided in October that he had made the decision to not run the story on ‘editorial grounds’. The previous day, Rajan had met with Whittingdale and Daily Mail editor Paul Dacre at the Society of Editors Conference in October 2015. When Whittingdale delivered his keynote address, he stated that he was minded not to implement a major recommendation of the Leveson inquiry and passed by Parliament as part of the Courts and Crimes Act.'

Read more at:https://www.byline.com/column/51/article/950
They are corrupt!

chewmylegoff

Moby wrote: »

Absolute nonsense mate.You are twisting yourself in so many knots to defend him that you dont know what the truth is anymore.:rotfl:

Which bit of it is nonsense? Given that you have already admitted you have no understanding of tax I suppose this question might be beyond you, so perhaps a bit unfair of me to ask.

Generali

Moby wrote: »

https://www.byline.com/column/51/article/950
I knew about this .......but of course the tory tabloids were dangling it above Whittingdale so as the Culture, Arts and Media Secretary he would not act on Leveson. He should resign as well. Read this:-
'The Editor of The Independent, Amol Rajan decided in October that he had made the decision to not run the story on ‘editorial grounds’. The previous day, Rajan had met with Whittingdale and Daily Mail editor Paul Dacre at the Society of Editors Conference in October 2015. When Whittingdale delivered his keynote address, he stated that he was minded not to implement a major recommendation of the Leveson inquiry and passed by Parliament as part of the Courts and Crimes Act.'

Read more at:https://www.byline.com/column/51/article/950
They are corrupt!

More hate fueled BS. What evidence do you have, as opposed to supposition, that Mr Whittingdale has done anything wrong?

We get it, you despise the Tories. It doesn't make your increasingly bizarre rantings any more reasonable.

Generali

BobQ wrote: »

My views on this affair are not sympathetic to Cameron but I will say that many of those who criticise him are motived by a "damage Dave, help Brexit" approach. Also I doubt he has done anything different to large numbers of the Conservative MPs (and maybe a few others).. But as you say its all legal and moral based on what has been declared.

Let me ask you a question. Do you think that Cameron could have published the accountant's letter while knowing that he is a future beneficiary of a trust that will be created at some point in the future (eg the day he leaves Parliament)?

I don't understand. How can Mr Cameron know he is the beneficiary of a trust that hasn't even been set up yet?

chewmylegoff

Generali wrote: »

I don't understand. How can Mr Cameron know he is the beneficiary of a trust that hasn't even been set up yet?

We need a pre-crime department with an offshore division to investigate these things.