Cameron Tax Dodger

N1AK

HornetSaver wrote: »

Belittling someone for earning £25k is frankly as useful to your argument as spitting at the feet of a median earner.

That you see highlighting the fact someone who earns £25k pays comparatively little tax as belittling says a lot more about your biases than mine. Personally I don't think the amount of tax someone pay defines them or their worth, and I recommend you consider the reasons why you do.

However one of ruggedtoast's average Joe's who pays vastly less tax than people like David Cameron while simultaneously spewing classist hate at the very concept of someone earning more than them (other than a footballer or movie star perhaps)? A good belittling is the very least they deserve.

Generali

chewmylegoff wrote: »

Please can you articulate what taxes cameron has avoided and why it is wrong to invest offshore.

I agree that as a concept "totally legal" tax avoidance which is basically immoral (and probably not totally legal anyway) exists, but you cannot engage in that sort of behaviour unless you actually avoid some tax.

So can you tell us what tax he avoided by investing offshore and then we can try to play the ball instead of the man.

I think we're missing the point really.

David Cameron has done two things wrong. Things that are irredeemable in the eyes of some of the hate-blinded posters on here:

1. He is a Tory
2. He is rich

There is nothing that Mr Cameron could possibly do to earn the pardon of the people that use words like 'posh' as a grave insult. He is financially and politically successful and nothing he could ever do will fix that.

He is a pig botherer, despite the witnesses at the event in question denying it. He is a tax avoider despite not having avoided or even evaded tax. He is destroying the NHS despite spending more than ever before on the NHS. He is starving the disabled despite increasing benefits for disabled people.

He is scum because he's a rich Tory. Posh filth. In the eyes of hate-fueled idiots.

DiggerUK

Generali wrote: »

.........He is scum because he's a rich Tory. Posh filth. In the eyes of hate-fueled idiots.

There are many who have a desire for social justice, and to narrow the divide between the wealthiest and poorest percentiles in the world.
One of the things we are up against, are tax avoidance schemes who's costs alone make them available to only the wealthiest.
In the UK, we have the spectacle of a prime minister talking crack down, but blocking change..._

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/11/smash-uk-!!!!!-elite-treat-offshore-wealth-terrorist-finance-perugia
MSE word policing have edited m@fi@ out of link with !!!!!...sorry


The article is by Paul Mason in the Guardian headed "Smash the m!!!a elite: we should treat offshore wealth as terrorist finance"

kabayiri

Generali wrote: »

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There is nothing that Mr Cameron could possibly do to earn the pardon of the people that use words like 'posh' as a grave insult. He is financially and politically successful and nothing he could ever do will fix that.
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I thought that Mr Cameron and his party's philosophy was "we get richer, and so do you by association". Some form of trickle down then...

Obviously, it's not going to work for all. Some people are just looking for a stick to beat him with, the use of sticks may be legal but are they moral?

kabayiri

When the regulatory systems don't seem to be working, the political option is to emphasise the morality side of things.

Wasn't this exactly what Mr Cameron was doing recently, when Google and others came under the spotlight?

If he uses morality politics to his advantage, he won't be surprised to find others using it against him.

Generali

kabayiri wrote: »

When the regulatory systems don't seem to be working, the political option is to emphasise the morality side of things.

Wasn't this exactly what Mr Cameron was doing recently, when Google and others came under the spotlight?

If he uses morality politics to his advantage, he won't be surprised to find others using it against him.

He hasn't done anything immoral though.

He even holds most of his personal wealth in cash. It's hard to think of a less tax efficient way for Mr Cameron to manage his affairs.

This entire affair is ridiculous, manufactured by people that don't like Tories to hoodwink the gullible.

Generali

kabayiri wrote: »

I thought that Mr Cameron and his party's philosophy was "we get richer, and so do you by association". Some form of trickle down then...

Obviously, it's not going to work for all. Some people are just looking for a stick to beat him with, the use of sticks may be legal but are they moral?

Not for a very long time. TBH I think that was Ronald Reagan's economic policy. Which seat did he stand for under the Conservatives again?

FWIW, this is the Conservative economic goal:

https://www.conservatives.com/plan

- REDUCING THE DEFICIT so we deal with our debts, safeguard our economy for the long term and keep mortgage rates low.
- CUTTING INCOME TAX AND FREEZING FUEL DUTY to help hardworking people be more financially secure.
- CREATING MORE JOBS by backing small business and enterprise with better infrastructure and lower jobs taxes.
- CAPPING WELFARE AND WORKING TO CONTROL IMMIGRATION so our economy delivers for people who want to work hard and play by the rules.
- DELIVERING THE BEST SCHOOLS AND SKILLS FOR YOUNG PEOPLE so the next generation can succeed in the global race.

mwpt

Generali wrote: »

He hasn't done anything immoral though.

He even holds most of his personal wealth in cash. It's hard to think of a less tax efficient way for Mr Cameron to manage his affairs.

This entire affair is ridiculous, manufactured by people that don't like Tories to hoodwink the gullible.

My initial lack of interest in UK politics when I first came to this country turned into something more as I started to try to understand the economics of house prices. It has been an interesting journey for me, reaching the understanding that opinions are divided not so much by debate and logic but simple dislike for certain parties. It is almost a frothing at the mouth response in many cases.

I don't know why I expected it to be otherwise, no different from most countries in the world I guess.

wotsthat

People with ill gotten gains must love the UK class system. We're all too busy frothing over this to pay them any attention.

One thing I don't think has been highlighted following the release of some politicians tax affairs is just how much tax we're all actually paying.

The Telegraph said about Corbyn

By comparison, Mr Corbyn made a total £70,795. He paid just £18,912 in tax.

It's a sign of a bloated government when £19k or 25% of a wage is paid on tax and described as 'just'. Of course, they're not finished there - there's VAT, tax to buy a house, corporation tax to pay through higher prices etc

I feel like it's my duty to pay as little tax as possible to try and reduce the size of the state.

kabayiri

Generali wrote: »

He hasn't done anything immoral though.
...

Tbh, I have no idea if he has or has not. I'm not sure if I care.

I don't like it when politics starts becoming about issues of morality.

There is no absolute standard of morality. There will be people up and down the land smoking zero-duty fags, criticising Mr Cameron. Oh, the irony.