teacher refused a pupil a toilet visit

barbarawright

foolofbeans wrote: »

I was not showing off when I stated I used to not go to the toilet all day at work, merely showing that you can train your bladder to work better.
I am mainly at home during the day now so have got used to going to the loo every hour and it causes issues when out for the day as I'm constantly looking for a toilet. I never like going to the toilet while out as I usually have two little ones with me and it's always a dilemma on what do I do with them while I go?
Due to this thread I shall train my bladder again so I can go at least for a few hours without peeing! Best thing to do though - pelvic floor exercises.

And how do you train yourself during a heavy period? Wear a nappy? Or should all schoolgirls go on the pill so they don't need to waste valuable minutes during the school day?

heuchera

Jojo_the_Tightfisted wrote: »

The incidences of desperate need to go to the loo right now dropped by over 90% once students had to wait for the on call senior teacher (no choice about gender, it's whoever is on call) to come and collect them from the class, escort them to the toilets, wait outside whilst they do what they need to and then walk them back to the class.

Oh my God, sounds more like a prison than a school :rotfl:

Some state comprehensives are pretty rough, though. I can imagine they have to introduce these measures to stop vandalism/crime, but no way would I send my kids to a place like that.

heuchera

barbarawright wrote: »

And how do you train yourself during a heavy period? Wear a nappy? Or should all schoolgirls go on the pill so they don't need to waste valuable minutes during the school day?

You should be able to manage a couple of hours before changing your sanitary protection. Maybe not all day, but just for 2 lessons.

I presume these girls manage to sleep at night without getting up every hour to change their tampons..

barbarawright

heuchera wrote: »

You should be able to manage a couple of hours before changing your sanitary protection. Maybe not all day, but just for 2 lessons.

I presume these girls manage to sleep at night without getting up every hour to change their tampons..

Possibly but Foofofbeans seemed to be suggesting that it was possibly not to go to the loo all day. Plus, periods are much harder and less predictable when you are 12 and aren't used to organising them. And I often have to get up in the night for that reason.

Jagraf

barbarawright wrote: »

Possibly but Foofofbeans seemed to be suggesting that it was possibly not to go to the loo all day. Plus, periods are much harder and less predictable when you are 12 and aren't used to organising them. And I often have to get up in the night for that reason.

Girls have to sit on the bus to school for longer than a lesson lasts. The problem is when schools don't have enough time to go to the loo between lessons.

I would suggest that in general children dont use break time for the loo and then expect to be able to go during lessons (wouldnt we all). It's disruptive and probsbky more disruptive than it needs to be. I'm wondering whether if you applied the same scenario to the school bus and stopped every minute making the bus an hour late each day the parents would have a different opinion.

pollypenny

This thread really amuses me.

Imagine a class of 32, with pupils being allowed to go to the loo whenever they want. Obviously, most kids will be ok, but others will exploit it.

If just 5 decided to put up a hand and ask to be excused that would be plenty of disruption. I could envisage pupils in a class where the teacher has poor control anyway really taking the Michael and they'd all be at it. Or nearly all, making it impossible for those who want to learn.

Jojo_the_Tightfisted

heuchera wrote: »

Oh my God, sounds more like a prison than a school :rotfl:

Some state comprehensives are pretty rough, though. I can imagine they have to introduce these measures to stop vandalism/crime, but no way would I send my kids to a place like that.

It was funny seeing their faces when the new rule was introduced - and the way that so many suddenly found their pelvic floor muscles started working again, male and female.

Some of the girls more likely to be the ones who were doing it deliberately to truant the lessons tried embarrassing male teachers into allowing them to leave unescorted by going into graphic descriptions of menstruation - they were shocked the teachers didn't bat an eyelid and simply contacted on call in exactly the same way they would for any other kid. And, as an aside, where a girl is struggling with pain/heaviness, there's a good chance over the course of the week or so they make visits that it's noticed - a discreet 'still not feeling very well?' when everybody else is in class can lead to a 'it might be worth you asking Mum if she could take you to the doctor's, as they might be able to help' - or for anybody who might have gastro or urinary issues and not mentioned it at home.

It's not a particularly rough school compared to the others in the area, but teenagers push their luck as they have always done; if they are genuine requests, they are OK with it, particularly as it doesn't discriminate against boy or girl or question their physical development/maturity 'Please may I go to the toilet, Miss?' 'It's ten minutes until the end of lesson - can it wait?' 'No, Miss' 'OK, I'll contact on call'. No need for embarrassing discussions in class - and if somebody's about to chuck their guts up, they still get to go unhindered - and there's a message sent saying 'x is unwell', so as they'd head for the nearest toilet in those circumstances, they get checked on, rather than left to be ill (or even unconscious) indefinitely. And, of course, in a worst case scenario, a girl being regularly sick can be noticed earlier, potentially reducing the risks of a concealed birth/enabling medical and social care/safeguarding to help them earlier.

So it could be seen as enhancing the duty of care to all students, rather than treating them as prisoners and denying them their rights.

duchy

mary_hinge wrote: »

People of all ages attend college these days...... on my last college course I had a lady that was a mother of 4 and 44years old.....why would Pigpen's daughter bring a student be a problem for you?

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As for the rest of it I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a thirteen year old in normal health to wait. If a child has a stomach upset it tends to show on their face too anyway.
I used to work supporting year eights - As support I worked with specific children so would see how the same class behaved with different teachers. It was quite amazing how one child couldn't manage a one hour class without a comfort break every lesson yet with another (better) teacher or in a class they particually enjoyed they never asked to go even if the lesson was a double so twice as long.

At thirteen they are testing boundries.

pigpen

heuchera wrote: »

You should be able to manage a couple of hours before changing your sanitary protection. Maybe not all day, but just for 2 lessons.

I presume these girls manage to sleep at night without getting up every hour to change their tampons..

No.. I don't and never have!!

I wear 2 superplus tampons and a night time pad and change them every 30-45 minutes.. and have done since I started menstruating.. my periods used to last up to 16 days.. they were awful.. much better now I'm older thank goodness but I still cannot go through the night without changing stuff at least twice.. given I am in bed only 5-6 hours and these changes usually involve clothing and bedsheets too!

Most people can.. but I can't and nor do my daughters or my sisters or my mother! My mother was so bad she had a hysterectomy at 36.

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duchy

pigpen wrote: »

was he??? We didn't know.. where is this child because we don't know of it? .. he is such a tart he probably has a whole litter somewhere.. but as far as we are aware he has one biological child born just before he was 22.. but you'd know best I guess.

And what has my sons procreation got to do with whether my daughter was a student or not at any point in her life? He is 3 years older than her for a start and she was not pregnant with his child.

Maybe it was his girlfriend who was pregnant at 16 -it was in a post last week from you -I can't be bothered looking for it right now as just off to work-or maybe that was a different child as you said one child in his teens and then another one later on when he WAS 22. Maybe you've forgotten about the post ?

How old was your daughter when she was an upchucking pregnant student ? Colleges tendn to only call the younger students at home to chase attendance and not the "mature "students so it's hardly surprising the poster assumed she was a teen.