Drink driving

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BeenThroughItAll wrote: »

Sorry, but I fail to understand how one can accidentally drink one or more alcoholic beverages and then drive a car.


Drinking and driving isn't a mistake, or an accident. It's a deliberate, calculated act, in which the drive accepts the risk that they may be a) over the limit, b) caught, and c) prosecuted.

Drinking and driving is nt against the law, having over the 80milligrams per 100 millilitres is the law and it varies person to person, whether they ve had a meal, how heavy they are and how many units of alcohol they ve had if they go over that limit. Someone could make a mistake and order a pint which is much stronger than the normal 3.5 /4 degrees strength or glasses of wine can also vary from 9 degrees to 14 degrees. Drinking and driving is not against the law and no country could ever impose a zero limit.

TadleyBaggie

sacsquacco wrote: »

and no country could ever impose a zero limit.

Plenty of countries have a "zero" limit and not just the obvious ones. Hungary for example.

robbies_gal

i think there should be a zero limit here then ther woulnt be any confusion on strength of drinks etc

Herzlos

Scotland essentially has a zero limit (50mg/100ml), which means a single drink will put most people over the limit.

Everyone seems happy with the idea that you can't drink anything if you want to drive.

bigjl

sacsquacco wrote: »

who s defending drink drivers !! where did that one come from, I m simply pointing out a much bigger danger for the self righteous to get stuck into . Every motorist is in more danger IMO from the things I ve pointed out detailing the effects of a very common painkiller, codeine, which is far worse than one or two pints.
Co Codamol has a reduced level of codeine, 15 mgs/500mgs paracetamol each tablet and therefore not such a fuzz maker as neat codeine silversurfer. 60mg of codeine phosphate certainly had a bad effect on me and I would nt have dreamed of driving . I personally dont have any alcohol when driving, even one pint.

You are confusing prescription Co Codomol and no prescription Co Codomol.

And how many people are actually affected by the Codeine in their Co-Codomol?

The simple fact is if you are affected by your medication then you shouldn't drive.

Drivers that are under the limit for drink driving can still cause accidents as they are affected to even a slight

GingerBob_3

londonTiger wrote: »

dd should be ban for life. You cannot be trusted to do something as basic as drive sober.

What an utterly stupid suggestion. You would have someone aged 18 just a touch over the limit banned for life, so at age 70 they still couldn't drive. Preposterous. People change, you know!

GingerBob_3

Herzlos wrote: »

Scotland essentially has a zero limit (50mg/100ml), which means a single drink will put most people over the limit.

Everyone seems happy with the idea that you can't drink anything if you want to drive.

Stupid idea. You could have residual alcohol in your system for ages, even from a chocolate liqueur.

AdrianC

BeenThroughItAll wrote: »

Sorry, but I fail to understand how one can accidentally drink one or more alcoholic beverages and then drive a car.

Drinking and driving isn't a mistake, or an accident. It's a deliberate, calculated act, in which the drive accepts the risk that they may be a) over the limit, b) caught, and c) prosecuted.

Here's a thought for you...
Many people stopped for drink-driving are stopped on the following day, not because they've had a drink THEN driven.

TadleyBaggie wrote: »

Plenty of countries have a "zero" limit and not just the obvious ones. Hungary for example.

Zero limits are impossible to properly enforce - the human body can produce non-zero levels even without consumption of alcohol.

Herzlos wrote: »

Scotland essentially has a zero limit (50mg/100ml), which means a single drink will put most people over the limit.

50mg is nothing like a zero limit. 50mg is the single most common limit across Europe, with the UK being the only country with a limit as high as 80mg.
http://etsc.eu/blood-alcohol-content-bac-drink-driving-limits-across-europe/

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bigjl wrote: »

You are confusing prescription Co Codomol and no prescription Co Codomol.

And how many people are actually affected by the Codeine in their Co-Codomol?

The simple fact is if you are affected by your medication then you shouldn't drive.

Drivers that are under the limit for drink driving can still cause accidents as they are affected to even a slight

I was nt aware that a lower strength cocodamol (8mg codeine/500paracetamol ) was available over the counter..How many would be affected by 2 x prescription cocodamol at 15/500 or 30/500 , I would say everyone ! and the 2x 30/500 would make people virtually immobile/fuzzy as if they were back in the 60s and stoned.This is an extremely common pain reliever and IMO is far worse than driving on even as much as 3 or 4 pints for the mind changing and confusion it can instill especially to people who are not used to opiates. Maybe a week or so usage will accustom people to it and the effects lessen.Give them to , say an octogenarian with dodgy eyes and traces of senility and you have a real positive danger on the road to be avoided at all costs far far worse than someone on a couple of pints IMO .To say dont drive if affected wont wash with many as its a subjective statement..How many drunks claim to be OK when they are legless ! the same go s for prescription drugs or poor eyesight.
Most sensible countries realised that an absolute zero alcohol tolerance would lead to false negatives but of course some Arab countries and the places heaving with drunks like Russia , Australia and Eastern European places try the zero alcohol stupidity con.

bigjl

sacsquacco wrote: »

I was nt aware that a lower strength cocodamol (8mg codeine/500paracetamol ) was available over the counter..How many would be affected by 2 x prescription cocodamol at 15/500 or 30/500 , I would say everyone ! and the 2x 30/500 would make people virtually immobile/fuzzy as if they were back in the 60s and stoned.This is an extremely common pain reliever and IMO is far worse than driving on even as much as 3 or 4 pints for the mind changing and confusion it can instill especially to people who are not used to opiates. Maybe a week or so usage will accustom people to it and the effects lessen.Give them to , say an octogenarian with dodgy eyes and traces of senility and you have a real positive danger on the road to be avoided at all costs far far worse than someone on a couple of pints IMO .To say dont drive if affected wont wash with many as its a subjective statement..How many drunks claim to be OK when they are legless ! the same go s for prescription drugs or poor eyesight.
Most sensible countries realised that an absolute zero alcohol tolerance would lead to false negatives but of course some Arab countries and the places heaving with drunks like Russia , Australia and Eastern European places try the zero alcohol stupidity con.

You don't know much about Co Codamol do you? Other wise you wouldn't be comparing 2 30/500 Co Codamol to 3 or 4 pints of beer/lager/cider.

Are you sure you aren't confusing Co Codamol with Oromorph?

Not everybody is affected by Co Codomol 30-500, some people are completely unaffected by stronger stuff such as Tramadol (2x50mg for example). In fact most people are completely unaffected other than no longer being in pain, I would suggest that chronic pain would impact more of a drivers ability to concentrate than Co Codamol or Tramadol.

That is why there are notes in the instructions to avoid driving or operation of machinery if affected, if you are not affected then you are fine, and the effects of codeine or even Tramadol are very different to Alcohol.

Below is what is written in the user information leaflet for 30/500 Co Codamol.

"Driving and using machines
Co Codamol 30mg/500mg Capsules may cause dizziness or drowsiness and you should not drive or operate machinery if you are affected in this way. Codeine may disturb your vision"

Everybody is affected by Alcohol. Anybody that says they are no affected by Alcohol to some extent is lying to themselves.