The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

.string.

foxtrotoscar wrote: »

No Shakey what YOU do have to remember is that YOU are not the sharpest of persons intellect wise. A basic search by anyone with half a brain would have led you to realise this thread was not needed. There was already one covering it. Oh look shakey it's nearly 10k posts again...are you going to start another thread?

No that's not fair, we all thought it necessary at the time.

foxtrotoscar_2

.string. wrote: »

No that's not fair, we all thought it necessary at the time.

Only those of us who chose not to check facts I suggest. There was already umpteen 10k + post threads on MSE but the OP chose not to do their research and go it wrong as they have continued to do. There is no magic 10k post limit on threads on MSE... anyone can check that in seconds !!!!!!!

foxtrotoscar_2

.string. wrote: »

No that's not fair, we all thought it necessary at the time.

BTW we all didn't.

Mistermeaner

We should have a poll next time

Shakethedisease

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Or when people start getting insulting/angry/personal. Little point imo engaging with people who've worked themselves up so badly they're in the midst of angry frustrated hissy fits over mere forum posts. :A

Ah yes, as well as hissy fits and insulting I forgot to add :- 'people who don't seem to know what the scroll button is for' and clog up threads moaning repeatedly about the thread they're actually posting on. As below a prime example.

foxtrotoscar :-

No Shakey what YOU do have to remember is that YOU are not the sharpest of persons intellect wise. A basic search by anyone with half a brain would have led you to realise this thread was not needed. There was already one covering it. Oh look shakey it's nearly 10k posts again...are you going to start another thread?

I'm not afraid of hearing people's views on the thread topic string. Far from it..But life's too short to waste mine and everyone else's time reading and responding to this sort of thing repeatedly. Sadly for me and others on here it is repeatedly. So best ignored. I come here to debate with people actually interested in debate and an exchange of views. Even when it gets heated.

The above just bores the t**s off everyone interested in the actual topic.

Shakethedisease

Mistermeaner wrote: »

We should have a poll next time

I'll ignore it and start proceedings towards another ref.. whoops I mean thread anyway.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

On the topic of that Telegraph piece on the Fraser of Allander data.

What a load of crap that is. Typical response I'd expect, we've seen it on here.

We're leaving the EU, that's decided. The terms of the deal between the EU and the UK will determine the viability of Scottish independence. Kieth Brown clearly isn't the sharpest tool in the box.

As I've said numerous times previously.

A good deal between the EU and the UK and the independence argument is stronger - but then why leave when you can enjoy the lions share of jobs and trade kept safe and only suffer a very very small amount under good deal, if Scotland would suffer at all, after all the future there is unknown - is it not?

A bad deal and independence is dead in the water Nicola, Kieth, Shakey, et al. Dead - in - the - water. The numbers just do not stack up for you, sorry. A bad deal and you're with us through thick and thin, so why is the SNP so hell bent on trying to cause problems during negotiations? Another faux pas on their part I believe since they need a good deal to make the idea of independence work.

They're so incompetent, when are you indy supporters going to take the indy tinted specs off and look at the reality?

Well, that's nice. But if independence is dead in the water, how come May is trying to stop another referendum then ? How come Davidson, Rennie and Dugdale have got 'Stop the referendum' in every council leaflet they've sent out ? And these are council elections remember, nothing there will stop a referendum. How come Davidson's only policy is 'stop the referendum' ? How come May has waded into Scottish council elections asking people to 'send the SNP a message that there will be no referendum ?'. In fact why is that all the other parties ever talk about ? And is only going to get MUCH worse in the next few weeks now leading up to a General Election.

Your post just doesn't stack up. If independence is dead in the water, how come it's all anyone ever talks about when as far as Scottish politics are concerned ? May can barely even get through a weekly PMQ's without mentioning 2014 these days.

kabayiri

If....the EU go in hard on the UK during the Brexit negotiations, is there a possibility this will put Scottish voters off a future Scexit?

IveSeenTheLight

davomcdave wrote: »

It's over, you lost. Please just get on with your life. There are no second chances.

As Robert the Bruce sat in the cave watching the spider he thought, "If at first you don't succeed, try, try again"

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

Oh - I would agree we are all having fun here double guessing who will say or do what, but it is a fact that May has not said NO. The SNP may be hoping she will and thus it suits their narrative to claim that she will say "No", I personally think she is more likely to say "Not now because ...... " which is a different thing entirely. It will be crucial to the reaction of Scots and any legal implications what follows after the " because ".

Examples could be ...

Starting point --- Too early

1 The timing of the proposed referendum is partial to the political agenda of the SNP and will damage the conduct of the negotiations, adversely affecting the future of Scottish people should they decide in the UK

2 Such is the nature of the disruption that a referendum would cause that it would not be in the national interests of the UK

3 The timing is such that the UK Government will be unable to release all information on the final deal for fear of predicting the outcome whereas the SNP will have no such inhibitions in presenting an unbalanced assessment.

4 Brexit negitiations will not be finalised until the agreement is fully rationalised and signed by both parties

5 A major factor for of the decision will be the extent to which other trade deals can be established and thus cannot be released until after Brexit.

6 Scottish voters need to know the facts of the choice they are being asked to make and not base that decision on partial and potentially misleading information


No doubt May could have other points to add, and in her style would probably be less verbose, but they all add up to a very good rationale for not agreeing to having a referendum at the time demanded by the SNP. In that respect I remind you, and anyone else reading this, that the SNP is seeking agreement to have the referendum as early as Oct 2018. That would no doubt come after a period when the SNP had, true to previous firm, seized every opportunity to put out false rumours and Fake News about the outcome of the negotiations while the UK Government was still greatly inhibited about what they could release into the public domain to counter the doom mongering.

So there is plenty there that can counter any claim that the UK would be treating anyone unfairly, but plenty to substantiate a charge of wilful mischief-making (which I call hostile) by the SNP in their unreasonable demands and disregard of the UK Constitution.


By the way --- What is a "Duck Face"?

May's going to have to rule it out altogether string. She's got no way of keeping up the 'now is not the time' line. Sturgeon agrees with her, it IS too early it's two years from now that's the time.

I expect May will put something in the Conservative manifesto saying No and Sturgeon will put something in hers saying Yes. The EU will want to know too if there is a referendum happening or not for obvious reasons. But they're likely to be more concerned if May keeps up the 'now is not the time' narrative, simply because they'll see little point in negotiations over UK trade, only to have to unpick it all again after the deal is done.

May's only real option is to rule it out for as long as she's PM. But she's opening up a huge untested legal and political constitutional can of worms surrounding what the Union actually means between Scotland / England as nations ( plus devolution etc ) once she does so. The UK is very rare indeed in it's constitutional make up. Sturgeon's also a solicitor/lawyer by profession, I'm sure she and many other experts have looked into this 'once or twice' themselves over the years... oh and there is no written UK constitution. Things just get added, taken away and tacked on over the years.

This referendum isn't demanded by the SNP. The Scots electorate voted for it in 2016 just before the Brexit vote.

Duck face :- Just google selfie/duckface.