The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Shakethedisease

zagubov wrote: »

However it is phrased or constructed, the ballot will have to allow for EEA membership to be an outcome, as EU membership always leads to it (although the reverse doesn't have to be true, as, interestingly, EEA membership doesn't inevitably mean EU membership).

I am now suggesting that the SG should widen their question and offer the Scotland the bigger prize of EEA membership, thereby expanding the choice available to them.

Let them be upfront about it, and address the populace on the matter. Choice is good.

I think the question on any ballot paper will be the same or near enough regarding independence. But I've thought for a while now that EEA/EFTA is the middle ground the Yes vote is looking for.

No/Remain voters are pragmatic enough to accept it as middle ground. Yes/Remain voters like me are pragmatic enough to see it as middle ground. And Yes/Leave voters are pragmatic enough to see it as middle ground.

The full EU membership question either via referendum or within the first ( hypothetical ) Scottish GE will probably come later imo. EEA/EFTA ground ironically is where May will insist on taking all of us in the UK within the next few years in a transition phase. Despite furious Scottish Govt protestations. But it will be nothing to do with Sturgeon.

However, Scotland will stay there should there be in independence vote. The rUK moving on to pastures new after a few years.

Tromking

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Neither are immediately suitable.

Oh and very good luck selling it to those that live nearby.

I think we can agree that in the event of the SNP carrying out its promise to kick out Trident very quickly after independence, then it would have to go somewhere.
As a Cornishman the thought of all those thousands of high quality jobs coming to an otherwise low wage economy in Cornwall is very appealing to me and will be to most others too.
In fact, I reckon there will more demo`s on the Clyde bemoaning the loss of thousands of defence jobs than there will be on the south coast of England.

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

NI and Good Friday seem paramount.

An era before your time. That you wouldn't wish to see reopened. Peace walls still divide areas of Belfast. There's considerable healing still to be done.

noodle_doodle

Puny earthlings, I return to the fight the evil that is the SNP - it's like playing out evil dead 2 in cyberspace

mollycat

noodle_doodle wrote: »

Puny earthlings, I return to the fight the evil that is the SNP - it's like playing out evil dead 2 in cyberspace

Got that bit right mate.

Don't really understand the last bit though!

noodle_doodle

Anyways, the problem the SNP have is that their solution to a country leaving a union ten times its size with resultant disastrous economic implications is in turn to become a country leaving a union ten times its size with resultant disastrous economic implications. Anything the SNP says is a disaster about brexit, you can change in two words to say the same about scottish independence. Anything the SNP says will be an advantage of independence, people can change in two words to be an advantage of brexit.

FWIW, I think we'd be better off staying in the EU and Scotland better off staying in the UK. It's strange seeing supposed socialists up here saying the solution is to divide people, i.e. be asocial, rather than unite people, you know, be social. It's something I'd expect of capitalists trying to carpetbag an entire country and stuff everyone else.


In the end, the SNP's only answer to anything is independence. What's that saying? When the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

noodle_doodle

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Apologies again, It was the EU Parliament a week or so ago. Under 'M' and 'N'.

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/resources/library/media/20170329RES69090/20170329RES69090.pdf

And these folks during the debate.

Polish MEP @J_Lewandowski states that Scotland, Northern Ireland & England have 'different visions for the future'. #Brexit

Knew I'd read something somewhere.

That's one of the untruths the SNP like to push is that england and scotland had utterly different results in the brexit referendum.

England was 53.4 - 46.6
Scotland was 38 - 62

A different majority in each case sure, but a difference of only 15.4%. In effect this 'fundamental' difference between the two is a difference manifested in less than 1 in 6 people.

paparossco

Tromking wrote: »

I think we can agree that in the event of the SNP carrying out its promise to kick out Trident very quickly after independence, then it would have to go somewhere.
As a Cornishman the thought of all those thousands of high quality jobs coming to an otherwise low wage economy in Cornwall is very appealing to me and will be to most others too.
In fact, I reckon there will more demo`s on the Clyde bemoaning the loss of thousands of defence jobs than there will be on the south coast of England.

A replacement for The Faslane naval base is only one part of the problem, you need replacements for Glen Fruin and Glen Douglas where the warheads and torpedoes are stored. How deep are the old tin mines?

Shaka_Zulu

An example of the utter contempt that the SNP hold the unconverted.

Shakethedisease

noodle_doodle wrote: »

Anyways, the problem the SNP have is that their solution to a country leaving a union ten times its size with resultant disastrous economic implications is in turn to become a country leaving a union ten times its size with resultant disastrous economic implications. Anything the SNP says is a disaster about brexit, you can change in two words to say the same about scottish independence. Anything the SNP says will be an advantage of independence, people can change in two words to be an advantage of brexit.

FWIW, I think we'd be better off staying in the EU and Scotland better off staying in the UK. It's strange seeing supposed socialists up here saying the solution is to divide people, i.e. be asocial, rather than unite people, you know, be social. It's something I'd expect of capitalists trying to carpetbag an entire country and stuff everyone else.


In the end, the SNP's only answer to anything is independence. What's that saying? When the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

It's what they stand for after all. Your problem is that people keep voting them in. Solve that, then you solve your SNP/independence problem.

Any ideas ?