The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

zagubov

You make it sound like it simply needs to be a binary choice.
It's a matter of presenting the public with a third option and presuming they've got the brains to understand it.
The Scots are well ahead of this; after all, it's the only country that has three court verdicts, not two. If anybody can cope with having three alternatives, they'll manage it.

cogito

Shakethedisease wrote: »

May's phased implemetation period covers the whole UK yes ? Scotland goes with the UK on the first phase still within the Single Market. Votes for independence, stays there and goes no further.

May's deal/transition phase only covers the whole of the UK until Scotland votes to leave the UK. Obviously. Sturgeon takes over talks for Scotland from that point onwards there's no question about that.

There's still a way to go with this and many things can change but as long as Scotland is within the UK then she moves with the UK throughout all the phases May gets in place in order to leave the EU. With NI and Gibraltar also in question the first phase is very likely to be still within the Single Market.. for a time. If Scotland votes out of the UK, Scotland stays there which is what Sturgeon wants as a priority ( as do NI and Gibraltar ). The EU have made explicit references to NI, Gibraltar and Scotland within their negotiating guidelines recognising their votes to remain and that special measures might be needed.

Should deficits and joining the Euro regarding your last post ( and I don't agree with you by the way but just for talking's sake ) become over riding factors in rejoining the EU. Then Scotland can stay where she is within EEA/EFTA/Single Market.

But you're out.

Remind me please. What explicit references to Scotland did the EU make within their negotiating guidelines?

TrickyTree83

zagubov wrote: »

You make it sound like it simply needs to be a binary choice.
It's a matter of presenting the public with a third option and presuming they've got the brains to understand it.
The Scots are well ahead of this; after all, it's the only country that has three court verdicts, not two. If anybody can cope with having three alternatives, they'll manage it.

I haven't said that at all.

I merely pointed out what has been asked and ascertained up to now.

I never said it was a binary choice for the electorate, but for the Scottish government and pro Indy protagonists to maintain a "Will of the people" stance they must act accordingly. EEA/EFTA has not been asked for by the electorate.

It's interesting now that what I say has to be misinterpreted or misrepresented in order to make follow up comments. Why not address it within the context it was given? I.e. the supposed "Will of the people"?

sss555s

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

There are contingency plans for the submarine Base, drawn up before the once in a generation referendum, we certainly would not want to leave the submarines in a hostile foreign country and the extra employment it would provide down here would be most welcome.

Care to share the information as to where the submarine base may go? Just to make your claim creditable.

All I can find are reports saying it will remain at Faslane post a yes vote and I'd rather know the true facts in case I missed something.

Tromking

kabayiri wrote: »

This overlooks the obvious.

I think that should Scotland vote to Leave, the narrative will switch to a golden goodbye discussion with rUK.

A sweetened deal to leave is the quickest route for iScotland achieving short term funds.

It can not rely on proceeds from taxation. That won't flow in for a year or two.

You can see the narrative underpinnings. There is a deeply held belief that the UK owes Scotland much for decades of oil development.

Things like the submarine base would become bartering tools in the negotiations.

I doubt anything would be clear cut, and the rUK might not be in a healthy position to meet these demands.

If Scots Nationalists (and others) thinks the UK is going to be the whipping Boy to the EU in the upcoming Brexit negotiations then see what happens when Scotland makes the monumental leap in the dark and opts for independence from the UK.
The political capital and maybe as you concede the UK's economic need in giving the fledgling Scottish state diddly squat will I think shock you.
If you think the British State are barstewards now, vote yes in indyref2

Tromking

sss555s wrote: »

Care to share the information as to where the submarine base may go? Just to make your claim creditable.

All I can find are reports saying it will remain at Faslane post a yes vote as I'd rather know the true facts in case I missed something.

Falmouth and/or Devonport were mooted duriing indyref1.

sss555s

Tromking wrote: »

If Scots Nationalists (and others) thinks the UK is going to be the whipping Boy to the EU in the upcoming Brexit negotiations then see what happens when Scotland makes the monumental leap in the dark and opts for independence from the UK.
The political capital and maybe as you concede the UK's economic need in giving the fledgling Scottish state diddly squat will I think shock you.
If you think the British State are barstewards now, vote yes in indyref2

I think we all just have to wait and see. Things will be done by negotiation within international law.

Tromking wrote: »

Falmouth and/or Devonport were mooted duriing indyref1.

Again, any official documents or is it just wishful thinking?

Tromking

sss555s wrote: »

I think we all just have to wait and see. Things will be done by negotiation within international law.



Again, any official documents or is it just wishful thinking?

I'm sure the UK will be within international law when its decides to be punitive toward an independent Scotland.
It won't be wishful thinking, the UK will not want its nuclear deterrent and the 8000 jobs relying on it, in a newly foreign country would it?Besides if I recall correctly the SNP will be kicking Trident out very soon after independence anyway.
It'll be the same for Royal Navy shipbuilding on the Clyde also of course.

cogito

cogito wrote: »

Remind me please. What explicit references to Scotland did the EU make within their negotiating guidelines?

Shakey, you appear to be incapable of answering a very simple question. Here are the EU negotiating guidelines:

http://www.todayonline.com/world/text-eu-27-draft-brexit-negotiations-guidelines

Please show us where the word Scotland appears. I won't hold my breath.

Shakethedisease

cogito wrote: »

Shakey, you appear to be incapable of answering a very simple question. Here are the EU negotiating guidelines:

http://www.todayonline.com/world/text-eu-27-draft-brexit-negotiations-guidelines

Please show us where the word Scotland appears. I won't hold my breath.

Mixed up my reports.

However, the European Parliament’s constitutional affairs committee published research saying there was enough "constitutional flexibility" for Scotland and Northern Ireland to remain in the EU ahead of independence referendums being held.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15182289.Scotland_could_remain_in_EU_after_Brexit_says_report__as_May_prepares_to_trigger_Article_50/?ref=twtrec

1000000000000 apologies. I hope you'll take my sincere apology in the spirit it was given. I don't normally see your posts anyway, if you know what I mean. So you'll forgive me in advance if I don't respond instantly or even at all to them.