The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Yes, she did didn't she...

"Vote with independence in mind"

I'll never forget it, and I'm not about to let the delusional indy protagonists forget it either.

It's all too late for that now Tricky. The Scottish Govt has issued it's request and is expecting an answer. Things will move forward once they get it. All the ranting in the world about delusional indy protagonists won't change what's about to happen and the crisis that will follow if May refuses such a request.

mollycat

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

mollycat... what that poster is forgetting is that the Scottish government in the EU would not be looking solely after the will of Scottish people.

However a UK government outside of the EU would be solely looking after UK people, which currently includes Scotland. In terms of voicing opinion in a union, the UK gives Scotland far greater voice than the EU does now or will ever do.

I wonder how the poster intends to square that circle? (along with the others they've conjured up thus far since coming back).

.....and the fact there would be no "Scottish government in the EU".

The suspension of fact and logic in this thread has to be seen to be believed.

Shakethedisease

mollycat wrote: »

.....and the fact there would be no "Scottish government in the EU".

The suspension of fact and logic in this thread has to be seen to be believed.

Not really. Independence solves that nicely and logically.

TrickyTree83

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Commented above

Oooh full autonomy, really? How does that work for Italy and Greece?

Didn't the EU choose the Italian PM and also remove a Greek government once?

Didn't they ignore the will of the French and Irish and re-brand their proposals as something the representatives could just sign rather than asking the people?

Full autonomy... are you a comedian?

If the will of the Scottish people is to remain in the EU as you claim..

(which I dispute since the question was whether the UK should stay or leave, not Scotland)

.. then the aim must be to rejoin the EU? That means you're complying with the fiscal membership rules and if you apply to join after 2020 the Euro, no opt in and do it later, it's a must.

TrickyTree83

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Not at all.
We've seen plenty of recent polls which are in error post voting results.

Democracy occurs in the voting booths, not in a sample poll which has found at times to be very wrong.

Yes. Usually in response to closed questions.

Such as:

"Should the UK remain in or leave the EU?"

It's crystal clear to those who can read. But we know the independence brigade and the SNP like their agitprop.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Oooh full autonomy, really? How does that work for Italy and Greece?

Didn't the EU choose the Italian PM and also remove a Greek government once?

Didn't they ignore the will of the French and Irish and re-brand their proposals as something the representatives could just sign rather than asking the people?

Full autonomy... are you a comedian?

If the will of the Scottish people is to remain in the EU as you claim..

(which I dispute since the question was whether the UK should stay or leave, not Scotland)

.. then the aim must be to rejoin the EU? That means you're complying with the fiscal membership rules and if you apply to join after 2020 the Euro, no opt in and do it later, it's a must.

You're funny too. What fiscal membership rules ? And who's joining the Euro ? Did you really vote the Leave the EU on an informed basis or on the basis of newspaper spin because I'm beginning to wonder with respect, just how informed you are about the EU.

Fiscal rules are for joining the Eurozone. If Scotland does have deficit issues then a deficit reduction plan will be negotiated. But a deficit is no barrier in itself to EU membership.
The Euro, can be deferred indefinitely by not voluntarily participating in the ERM. Many countries haven't erm volunteered yet and are still EU members.

Did you really not know about the above ? Serious question.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Get over yourself AMSJ you're chatting on a forum not trying to negotiate a peace process at the UN lol. :rotfl:

ISTL I'm afraid there are some posters here that enjoy deviating from the topic and issues at hand in favour of potting at individual posters and posting styles rather than really debating anything of any substance. Even to the extent of starting threads for other forum members to pass judgement about them.

Tiresome in the extreme but there you go. But threads like these would never last long if everyone stooped into into personal grievance. You know the way it is having been a poster here for several years already, but a heads up just in case.

Ha ha ha ha ha, Shakey strikes again.
Please note especially the above highlighted in red.
Talk about pots, kettles and black.

Oh you see that? adding an emoji (and adding lol BTW) really does not lessen the personal attack or the duplicity of what is said; perhaps instead you could try to "get over yourself"?
LOL.
:cool:

Still, by now I like many others know not to expect more from a poster so frequently caught out in their own deceits and by so many different posters.
The prime prevaricator of this entire thread.

TrickyTree83, you deserve a medal TBH for having the patience and the will to continually challenge such posters and correct their deceits, ambiguities and misdirections.
For continuing to show the argument of such posters to be illogical and not based upon recognised fact.
Were that I had your patience.

Shakethedisease

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Ha ha ha ha ha, Shakey strikes again.
Please note especially the above highlighted in red.
Talk about pots, kettles and black.

Oh you see that? adding an emoji (and adding lol BTW) really does not lessen the personal attack or the duplicity of what is said; perhaps instead you could try to "get over yourself"?
LOL.
:cool:

Still, by now I like many others know not to expect more from a poster so frequently caught out in their own deceits and by so many different posters.
The prime prevaricator of this entire thread.

TrickyTree83, you deserve a medal TBH for having the patience and the will to continually challenge such posters and correct their deceits, ambiguities and misdirections.
For continuing to show the argument of such posters to be illogical and not based upon recognised fact.
Were that I had your patience.

See ? Debate derailed as I predicted. Nothing about Scotland, all about other posters. Thread gets boring.

Thank you for your wonderful example. Now, lets all get back on topic.

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

If Scotland does have deficit issues then a deficit reduction plan will be negotiated.

Maybe so. But you bleat constantly about Westminster Tory imposed austerity. Difficult to see how Brussels austerity differs. Not a pic 'n mix where you can choose the bits you like. May well undermine the SNP's plans to compete with the UK.

Stability and Growth Pact
The Stability and Growth Pact (SGP) is a set of rules designed to ensure that countries in the European Union pursue sound public finances and coordinate their fiscal policies.

https://ec.europa.eu/info/node/4287/

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Shakethedisease wrote: »

See ? Debate derailed as I predicted. Nothing about Scotland, all about other posters. Thread gets boring.

Thank you for your wonderful example. Now, lets all get back on topic.

The original wonderful example is your own post.
Had you not attempted such blatant deceit no response would have been necessary - yet you persist.
Let us indeed now all get back on topic; you are not somehow immune.