The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

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Shakethedisease wrote: »

Normal logic would've meant you'd actually read the thread. The reasons for the SNP abstain were made clear a page or so back I'm afraid. It was nothing to do with the Tories.

The trouble is, Shakey, is that I don't actually believe what you write all the time. Put it down to an allergy to SNP-think.

skintmacflint

.string. wrote: »

Yes Mistermeaner, you have it right there, all is consumed in a fug of tribal fervour, with boxes that they want to tick
o. Will it keep their acolytes happy
o. Can it be spun to foster enmity between Scotland and the UK
o. Can it further the glorious dream of Natland

And so on

I wonder if they actually have a box of the type

o. Is it good for Scotland

Has been suggested SNP wanted to put any decision off until after next year's council elections. Not surprising considering the bad press they have caused themselves over the past few months. Education education.

Their excuse they are playing canny by being seen to be impartial until the latest reports are known ( which will no doubt explain no more than what has gone before) , seems total nonsense to me. They ran an anti fracking campaign for the GE in 2015. Complete with anti fracking badges.

I'd put money on Ineos being given the go ahead for a pilot/ trial project in the near future.

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Nice to see you back skintmacflint:)

Shakethedisease

Mistermeaner wrote: »

No the SNP have the power in holy rood and could determined the outcome of that vote - they could have swung it either way.

You seem to have fallen for their trick that by abstaining it wasn't their decision - but they in effect voted to ban franking.

I think the SNP know Scotland needs tracking to stand any chance of fiscal independence but because of its negative perception amongst the ignorant they were too scared to make the right but difficult decision for fear of denting their popularity

I've said before and say again on the back of this that the only interest of the SNP is their Own power hence the incoherent policies and lack of leadership - all they do is attach themselves to whatever is likely to be popular.

Dodging the issue on something as important for Scotland as tracking is pathetic - any party who at its core wants a prosperous and independent Scotland should have been all over tracking and using its influence and leadership to address the concerns of its electorate

The same could be said for most votes at Holyrood, the SNP are of course the largest party by miles. The other parties would kill for their current popularity.

They won't vote for fracking though. But other parties in turn can't push for an outright ban at the present time either. Is just stalemate until 2017. While any 'party' that wants to be all over fracking can push all they wish... it's what the country and it's voters want at the end of the day that matters. Indications just aren't that good in terms of fracking in Scotland.

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

The trouble is, Shakey, is that I don't actually believe what you write all the time. Put it down to an allergy to SNP-think.

Lay off with the personal 'telling me what I think' posts. They're boring. I wouldn't post it if I didn't believe it, or at least think it's a relevant point to make.

If you don't like the content of my posts, feel free to challenge them by all means. But try not to reduce it down to internet mind reading of a complete stranger in order to tell me what the trouble is. Is a little new age-y for my tastes.

Shakethedisease

skintmacflint wrote: »

Has been suggested SNP wanted to put any decision off until after next year's council elections. Not surprising considering the bad press they have caused themselves over the past few months. Education education.

Their excuse they are playing canny by being seen to be impartial until the latest reports are known ( which will no doubt explain no more than what has gone before) , seems total nonsense to me. They ran an anti fracking campaign for the GE in 2015. Complete with anti fracking badges.

I'd put money on Ineos being given the go ahead for a pilot/ trial project in the near future.

Nice to see you back also.:)

But I have absolutely no idea what point you're trying to make above apart from the SNP getting bad press. Bad press is something they receive whatever they do so it's nothing new.

The two year moratorium is up in 2017. Fracking will wait until then for debate in Holyrood.

Mistermeaner

Mistermeaner wrote: »

No the SNP have the power in holy rood and could determined the outcome of that vote - they could have swung it either way.

You seem to have fallen for their trick that by abstaining it wasn't their decision - but they in effect voted to ban franking.

I think the SNP know Scotland needs tracking to stand any chance of fiscal independence but because of its negative perception amongst the ignorant they were too scared to make the right but difficult decision for fear of denting their popularity

I've said before and say again on the back of this that the only interest of the SNP is their Own power hence the incoherent policies and lack of leadership - all they do is attach themselves to whatever is likely to be popular.

Dodging the issue on something as important for Scotland as tracking is pathetic - any party who at its core wants a prosperous and independent Scotland should have been all over tracking and using its influence and leadership to address the concerns of its electorate

So you acknowledge the snp concern is their popularity not the best interests of scotland

Shakethedisease

Mistermeaner wrote: »

So you acknowledge the snp concern is their popularity not the best interests of scotland

SNP concern is what's in the best interests of Scotland, that's why they are so popular.

Is also why the other parties are having such a rough time completing on a Westminster centric basis right now. Is also why Scottish Labour is thinking of going independent from the UK party, ie so they can put forward their view on whats in the best interests of Scotland without being hamstrung by UK Labour... ( in order to be popular again ).

You've gotten it the wrong way round in other words.

Mistermeaner

No I have it correct

Mistermeaner

To expand:

The snp purport to have the best interests of Scotland at their core

They see this best achieved through independent Scotland, free from the yolk of Westminster and the free money they get from rouk

In order to be successfully independent Scotland must have a strong independent economy, to standstill it must as a minimum do better than Barnett on its own

Due to the fall in oil price jobs and capital are disappearing in Scotland along with the tax income they produce

Scotland has vast reserves of shale in sparsely populated areas and a company with in country processing facilities actively seeking to extract this.

The SNP could have made this happen. Despite potentially negative consequences for its popularity it could have used its power and influence to not only lead on perception changing but also to monitor and control the process of extrextrrsaction and to negotiate the tax etc terms for the companies extracting

Instead the SNP abstained, essentially authorising the ban without the courage to jump one way or another

The capital Jobs and revenue is now flooding south to rouk.

The SNPs cowardess and selfish self interest has worked to the detriment of Scotland and its people. Furthermore it has made any chance of independent Scotland even less likely.

Yet the acolytes still follow....