The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

RJP33

May should decline with the excuse that the country needs to focus on Brexit.

She has a ready made get out.

kelpie35

Again Sturgeon throwing her toys out the pram.

A definite NO from me too.

Filo25

I don't see the point in Westminster blocking it if the Scottish parliament votes to have one.

It would just further increase support for Independence, this nation is divided enough as it stands at present.

This is certainly a winnable referendum for the pro-union campaign and as we aren't likely to get any further constitutional changes on the scale of Brexit anytime soon, should put the debate to bed for long time.

Conrad

In light of Brexit many Remainers told us referendums are a bad idea, too blunt a tool.


I wonder if those same voices will make this argument regards the Scots referendum?

TrickyTree83

Filo25 wrote: »

I don't see the point in Westminster blocking it if the Scottish parliament votes to have one.

It would just further increase support for Independence, this nation is divided enough as it stands at present.

This is certainly a winnable referendum for the pro-union campaign and as we aren't likely to get any further constitutional changes on the scale of Brexit anytime soon, should put the debate to bed for long time.

I don't understand this argument that saying no will increase support for independence.

Please explain it in detail.

As far as I can tell the issue has been on the agenda of Scottish minds for 4 years or more, there will be little movement if any.

Also if they're told no, then there's no consequence from any possible uptick in support for it. Once the terms of Brexit are understood and the deal is actually in place it would be a more open and honest debate anyway rather than the faux outrage debate Sturgeon wants to have. A little bit of research and reading shows them up as the liars they are. I know all politicians lie, but these build a completely alternate reality.

kabayiri

I wonder if the turnout for IndyRef2 will be better than the rather pathetic showing Scotland had for the EU referendum?

(We should refer to this no show as the forgotten third...they didn't express any momentum for another referendum)

Also, in this new 2 speed EU, which group does Scotland belong in? Some Eastern European countries might be rather miffed if Scotland demands to be at the top table.

westernpromise

Surgeon surely wants at least 2 more referenda, one between now and March 2019 and another afterwards on the grounds that the former was uninformed.

Personally I can't wait for these bankrupsters to just s0d off.

fun4everyone

Something like 1/3 Indy supporters voted leave, it is just being stoked up as another SNP grievance. We also export more than 4 times as much to the rest of the UK than we do to the EU so it would be madness to leave our biggest market for such an insignificant one (in relative terms).

Moby

Anyone know the constitutional position....can Sturgeon go ahead with a referendum even if the UK Govmt opposes it?

Filo25

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I don't understand this argument that saying no will increase support for independence.

Please explain it in detail.

As far as I can tell the issue has been on the agenda of Scottish minds for 4 years or more, there will be little movement if any.

Also if they're told no, then there's no consequence from any possible uptick in support for it. Once the terms of Brexit are understood and the deal is actually in place it would be a more open and honest debate anyway rather than the faux outrage debate Sturgeon wants to have. A little bit of research and reading shows them up as the liars they are. I know all politicians lie, but these build a completely alternate reality.

To put it in a context that maybe might appeal to more of the users on here, how would you feel if the UK had voted to remain in the EU, and a few years later the UK government decided it wanted to have a second referendum but the EU said we couldn't.

Its difficult to say that Scotland is a valued partner in the UK if you choose to ignore the wishes of its parliament when you don't agree with them.

If the SNP want a referendum and they can get it through the Scottish parliament then let them have it, although it should be paid for out of the Scottish budget.

There will come a point where the Scottish electorate are going to start punishing the SNP if they think they are taking the proverbial with endless demands for referenda.