The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Shaka_Zulu

beecher2 wrote: »

I don't understand your logic. The EU wants Scotland to remain in the EU

The EU couldn't really give a stuff about Scotland (at this time), Scotland is not a country in its own right but part of the UK so in the scheme of things they are fairly ambivalent one way or the other.

Talk is cheap and they don't have to put their money where their mouth is and the chances that they will ever have to do that are negligible. So on that basis the EU can just have fun playing Scotland and the UK off against each other. It is all meaningless background noise.

The majority of Scots know which side their bread is buttered on and that is remaining part of the UK and there is nothing the Nats can do.

scott_lithgows

Shaka_Zulu wrote: »

The EU couldn't really give a stuff about Scotland (at this time), Scotland is not a country in its own right but part of the UK so in the scheme of things they are fairly ambivalent one way or the other.

Talk is cheap and they don't have to put their money where their mouth is and the chances that they will ever have to do that are negligible. So on that basis the EU can just have fun playing Scotland and the UK off against each other. It is all meaningless background noise.

The majority of Scots know which side their bread is buttered on and that is remaining part of the UK and there is nothing the Nats can do.

Scotland IS a country but it is not a nation state.

Tories like to stir all this up as well to distract Scots from the UKwide issues which are looming and keep them argueing with each other.

Thrugelmir

scott_lithgows wrote: »

Tories like to stir all this up as well to distract Scots from the UKwide issues which are looming and keep them argueing with each other.

Plainly obvious where the stirring up is originating from, and it's not down South.....

Shaka_Zulu

scott_lithgows wrote: »

Scotland IS a country but it is not a nation state.

If you want to be obtuse so be it, I knew a pedant would pick up on it. Thank you for not disappointing

baldelectrician

It is worth noting the bookies are now indicating a higher chance of a Yes vote


I can't wait- I will be campaigning in 2018 when it is called


Game on

davomcdave

scott_lithgows wrote: »

Scotland IS a country but it is not a nation state.

Tories like to stir all this up as well to distract Scots from the UKwide issues which are looming and keep them argueing with each other.

No Scotland is a nation (a group of people with something in common e.g. Zulu Nation, gay nation) not a country (Sovereign body). If Scotland had voted for independence then it would be a country but it didn't so it's not.

Luckily for the Scots their not stupid and so they are not going to vote for independence. The last vote was won by well over 10% (maths: (2,001,926-1,617,989)/3,619,915) and since the last vote the economic case for independence has got substantially worse. The Scottish oil industry has got a decade of winding down and then that's it, her biggest industry is gone forever, The English will step up to the plate, as ever, to fill the gap though, don't you worry.

What you really should be concerned about is an English independence movement because without England the Celtic nations of the UK are economically mucked up.

baldelectrician

davomcdave wrote: »

since the last vote the economic case for independence has got substantially worse. The Scottish oil industry has got a decade of winding down and then that's it, her biggest industry is gone forever

Yes- if only it were true

Remember the 'broad shoulders of the UK' when the UK discussed oil volatility
Tell that to the workers in the North Sea and Atlantic Margin (remember only 30% of Scotland's oil is in the North Sea) who are on the dole now.
They could have transferred their skills to the offshore wind and wave industry- oh wait they can't as Westmonster cut the subsidies after the 2014 vote.


And as for oil revenues-
2105 UK figures were £600m from UK oil to Scotland whilst in Norway (with same extraction level) they got over £11 billion.
There's the broad shoulders of the UK making £10 billion drop to £600 million

davomcdave

baldelectrician wrote: »

And as for oil revenues-
2105 UK figures were £600m from UK oil to Scotland whilst in Norway (with same extraction level) they got over £11 billion.
There's the broad shoulders of the UK making £10 billion drop to £600 million

What are those numbers? Taxation or oil revenues or something else?

antrobus

baldelectrician wrote: »

...And as for oil revenues-
2105 UK figures were £600m from UK oil to Scotland whilst in Norway (with same extraction level) they got over £11 billion.
There's the broad shoulders of the UK making £10 billion drop to £600 million

Are you sure?

UK oil revenues in 2014/15 were £2,217m, but only £43m for 2015/16.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/534505/UKCS_Tax_Table_July_2016.pdf

This time last year the BBC was reporting that;

In the last couple of years, the price of oil has tumbled to around $30. During this period, the Norwegian energy giant Statoil, along with others in the industry, has axed thousands of jobs and scaled back contracts with suppliers.In 2015 Statoil's earnings plunged, and it recorded a net loss of 37bn kroner ($4.3bn; £2.98bn).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35318236

TrickyTree83

antrobus wrote: »

Are you sure?

UK oil revenues in 2014/15 were £2,217m, but only £43m for 2015/16.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/534505/UKCS_Tax_Table_July_2016.pdf

This time last year the BBC was reporting that;

In the last couple of years, the price of oil has tumbled to around $30. During this period, the Norwegian energy giant Statoil, along with others in the industry, has axed thousands of jobs and scaled back contracts with suppliers.In 2015 Statoil's earnings plunged, and it recorded a net loss of 37bn kroner ($4.3bn; £2.98bn).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35318236

Kudos for battling on antro.

I fear they will never see sense, at least as I said about my previous postings you'll be able to convince the reasonable reader. If Scots have already bought and invested into the "Yes" lies it's going to be exceptionally hard for them to admit they were wrong in 2014 and wrong now.

Some will tell you they can have a sovereign oil fund comparable to Norway's. Mathematics shows that to be an impossibility but it doesn't stop them from telling all their friends to try to persuade them to vote 'Yes'.