The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

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My thanks to those that expressed sympathy. Much appreciated.

These things go quickly in Spain so today was the funeral.

It was a day with much grief, but also much pride and much love with many many hugs.

It was also a start of recovery with much reminiscing and many jokes so before I sign off for a while and return to the UK, I'll leave with something in my next post to lighten the mood.

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Boris Johnson is being shown around a London hospital. Towards the end of the visit, he is shown into a ward with a number people with no obvious signs of injury or disease.

He goes to greet the first patient and the chap replies: "Fair fa' your honest sonsie face, Great chieftain e' the puddin' race! Aboon them a' ye tak your place, Painch, tripe, or thairm; Weel are ye wordy o' a grace as lang's my arm."

Boris, being somewhat confused (easily done) goes to the next patient and greets him.

The patient replies: "Some hae meat, and canna eat, and some wad eat that want it, but we hae meat and can eat, and sae the Lord be thankit."

The third starts rattling off: "Wee sleekit, cow'rin, tim'rous beastie, O, what a panic's in thy breastie! Thou need na start awa sae hasty, wi bickering brattle! I wad be laith to rin an chase thee, wi murdering pattle!"

Boris turns to the doctor and asks: "Is this mental ward?"

"No" the doctor replies, "It's the Burns unit.

molerat

To add to my previous list of failures
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-38748722

No doubt all the fault of Westminster ! When are the sheep going to wake up.

Shakethedisease

molerat wrote: »

To add to my previous list of failures
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-38748722

No doubt all the fault of Westminster ! When are the sheep going to wake up.

The report was actually UK wide with BBC Scotland being a little, er, selective. Nothing new there however.

Child health in the UK is falling behind that of many other European countries, a major report says.It raises particular concerns over rates of obesity, mental health issues and mortality among the young...

...It said there had been huge improvements in child health in the UK in the past 100 years, but since the mid-1990s "there has been a slowing of progress".This has left the UK falling behind other European nations in a number of league tables.

For example, in 2014 the UK had a higher infant mortality rate (of 3.9 per 1,000 live births) than nearly all comparable Western European countries.
Infant mortality ranges from 3.6 in Scotland to 3.9 in England and Wales, and 4.8 in Northern Ireland. In 2015-16, 40% of children in England's most deprived areas were overweight or obese, compared with 27% in the most affluent areas.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-38743765

Much work to be done. But in ALL areas of the UK not just in Scotland. Sorry to burst your wee finger pointy ranty bubble but context is always important. So you can cross this one back off your list of failures due solely to the SNP.

antrobus

Shakethedisease wrote: »

The Scottish, N Irish and Welsh were asking to be consulted. ...

What makes you think they are not being consulted? Sturgeon had a meeting with May back in October. That is being consulted.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

...Not veto the whole thing, . .

Who is it thas has claimed that Sturgeon wanted to veto the "whole thing"? The point is, and I have told you this a number of times, that EU membership is a matter for the UK parliament, and has nothing to with the Holyrood version.

Or as the Supeme Court put it; "Relations with the EU and other foreign affairs matters are reserved to UK Government and parliament, not to the devolved institutions. "

Shakethedisease wrote: »

...Sewel comes into contention because so many EU laws are also written into devolved statue books. .

No it doesn't. The Supreme Court has ruled that the "Sewel Convention does not give rise to a legally enforceable obligation"

Shakethedisease wrote: »

...If I was under any delusions I would've voted No in 2014 under the impression that the Vow, the Smith Commission and the new Scotland Act resulting from it all meant something. As well as the fact that voting No meant staying in the EU. Boy did some of those Scots get a huge wake up call today.

As it was I personally didn't believe a word of it at the time. So voted accordingly.

You are delusional because you have a problem dealing with reality. Anything that doesn't fit into your predermined set of prejudices, just gets dismissed.

Shakethedisease

antrobus wrote: »

What makes you think they are not being consulted? Sturgeon had a meeting with May back in October. That is being consulted.

Who is it thas has claimed that Sturgeon wanted to veto the "whole thing"? The point is, and I have told you this a number of times, that EU membership is a matter for the UK parliament, and has nothing to with the Holyrood version.

Sturgeon and no one in the SNP has ever claimed a veto. It's a headline construct which keeps confusing LCM/Sewel in Holyrood with being able to block Brexit via Westminster. I know the difference. Your average man in the street ( and you ) obviously don't.

Or as the Supeme Court put it; "Relations with the EU and other foreign affairs matters are reserved to UK Government and parliament, not to the devolved institutions. "

Never disputed.

No it doesn't. The Supreme Court has ruled that the "Sewel Convention does not give rise to a legally enforceable obligation"

Yes, this in the Smith Commisson and in the resulting Scotland Act 2016 was pointed out at the time and many times since... as being a complete lie fed to Scots by the insertion of the word 'normally' in the statute.

This was the first time it's been tested in court. So it's good to have finally have complete clarity that this was indeed a lie fed to Scots voters and any notion of the 'most powerful devolved parliament in the world' has been put to bed for the nonsense it always was.

You are delusional because you have a problem dealing with reality. Anything that doesn't fit into your predermined set of prejudices, just gets dismissed.

I have no problem with reality. I know the difference between headline spin about imaginary Sturgeon vetos in Westminster, and legislative consent in Holyrood. I also know that during the next phase of Brexit, the Great Repeal Bill/revoking ECJ rights and fishing and agriculture (which both revert automatically to Holyrood) are going to be massive constitutional upsets.

The first two will involve Westminster having to overide Holyrood's express wishes on current devolved legislation, and the last two will involve Westminster taking powers back which are already devolved. And they are going to take those powers back.

What we will be looking at, and what we will be discussing with the devolved administrations, is how we deal with those powers that are currently in Brussels when they come back to the UK. And what we want to ensure is that those powers are dealt with so that we can maintain the important single market of the UK.

The above are one of main reasons why Sturgeon is waiting until calling a vote. Westminster wants control of those fishing grounds as a bargaining chip but they default to Holyrood not Westminster. Is going to cause some serious problems. Leave voting fishermen in Scotland were sold the notion that they were getting a Norway style deal. Oh dear...

January 20, 2017
North-east fishing fleet to sail the Thames in Brexit protest

Trawlermen who sailed up the Thames in a pro-Brexit demonstration could send an angry armada to the UK Parliament amid fears the fleet has been “betrayed” by the prime minister.

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/business/north-of-scotland/1145729/flotilla-mkii/

elantan

That SNP bubble hasn't half burst .... by election last night ... SNP majority up by over 2% ... another seat saved labour plummeted and the tories took a lot of their %

And to think not that long ago you could've put a red rosette on Fred West and he would've got elected

Enterprise_1701C

So how come they are struggling to get their budget through?

https://www.holyrood.com/articles/news/snp-budget-stalemate-leads-election-warning

Oooops, seems they are lacking an overall majority.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/snp-loses-overall-majority-in-scottish-parliament-a7016131.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2016/scotland

gfplux

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Sturgeon and no one in the SNP has ever claimed a veto. It's a headline construct which keeps confusing LCM/Sewel in Holyrood with being able to block Brexit via Westminster. I know the difference. Your average man in the street ( and you ) obviously don't.

Never disputed.

Yes, this in the Smith Commisson and in the resulting Scotland Act 2016 was pointed out at the time and many times since... as being a complete lie fed to Scots by the insertion of the word 'normally' in the statute.

This was the first time it's been tested in court. So it's good to have finally have complete clarity that this was indeed a lie fed to Scots voters and any notion of the 'most powerful devolved parliament in the world' has been put to bed for the nonsense it always was.

I have no problem with reality. I know the difference between headline spin about imaginary Sturgeon vetos in Westminster, and legislative consent in Holyrood. I also know that during the next phase of Brexit, the Great Repeal Bill/revoking ECJ rights and fishing and agriculture (which both revert automatically to Holyrood) are going to be massive constitutional upsets.

The first two will involve Westminster having to overide Holyrood's express wishes on current devolved legislation, and the last two will involve Westminster taking powers back which are already devolved. And they are going to take those powers back.

The above are one of main reasons why Sturgeon is waiting until calling a vote. Westminster wants control of those fishing grounds as a bargaining chip but they default to Holyrood not Westminster. Is going to cause some serious problems. Leave voting fishermen in Scotland were sold the notion that they were getting a Norway style deal. Oh dear...
https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/business/north-of-scotland/1145729/flotilla-mkii/

Thanks for that. Looks like a very interesting time ahead.

elantan

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

So how come they are struggling to get their budget through?

https://www.holyrood.com/articles/news/snp-budget-stalemate-leads-election-warning

Oooops, seems they are lacking an overall majority.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/snp-loses-overall-majority-in-scottish-parliament-a7016131.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2016/scotland

Have u not figured out yet they are a minority government ? You struggling with that ?

And are you not aware the Scottish parliament was set up that way? The fact the SNP broke the system last time and got a majority should have never happened ...

How hard is this stuff to understand ?