The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Hintza

Hintza

mayonnaise wrote: »

It's always good forum practice to include a link to source.

Oh I'm dreadfully sorry that I didn't provide a direct link. However I did tell you my source.

Try Google.

elantan

Anyone else thinking it's been a bit of a bizarre few days politically ?

I've ran out of popcorn will need to go to the shops

CLAPTON

It would seem that the supreme court has rejected the view that the devolved parliament have any say triggering article 50.

Of course the MPs from all parts of the UK will have a equal vote

JUDGMENT
The Supreme Court by a majority of 8 to 3 dismisses the Secretary of State’s appeal (Lord Neuberger, Lady
Hale, Lord Mance, Lord Kerr, Lord Clarke, Lord Wilson, Lord Sumption and Lord Hodge in the majority with
Lord Reed, Lord Carnwath and Lord Hughes dissenting). In a joint judgment of the majority, the Supreme
Court holds that an Act of Parliament is required to authorise ministers to give Notice of the decision of the
UK to withdraw from the European Union. Each of the dissenting justices gives a separate judgment.
On the devolution issues, the court unanimously concludes that neither section 1 nor section 75 of the NIA is
of assistance in this case, and that the Sewel Convention does not give rise to a legally enforceable obligation

antrobus

CLAPTON wrote: »

It would seem that the supreme court has rejected the view that the devolved parliament have any say triggering article 50.

Of course the MPs from all parts of the UK will have a equal vote

Yes, it's time to get the popcorn out.:)

As the press release from the Supreme Court makes clear;

Relations with the EU and other foreign affairs matters are reserved to UK Government and parliament, not to the devolved institutions.

And

The devolved legislatures do not have a veto on the UK’s decision to withdraw from the EU.

https://www.supremecourt.uk/cases/docs/uksc-2016-0196-press-summary.pdf

Full text of judgement. (I haven't read it yet, it is 96 pages.)
https://www.supremecourt.uk/cases/uksc-2016-0196.html

So there we have it. There is SFA that Sturgeon can do about Brexit.

TrickyTree83

antrobus wrote: »

Yes, it's time to get the popcorn out.:)

As the press release from the Supreme Court makes clear;

Relations with the EU and other foreign affairs matters are reserved to UK Government and parliament, not to the devolved institutions.

And

The devolved legislatures do not have a veto on the UK’s decision to withdraw from the EU.

https://www.supremecourt.uk/cases/docs/uksc-2016-0196-press-summary.pdf

Full text of judgement. (I haven't read it yet, it is 96 pages.)
https://www.supremecourt.uk/cases/uksc-2016-0196.html

So there we have it. There is SFA that Sturgeon can do about Brexit.

Lets also not forget their take on Sewel. Seems a lot of the indy brigades bluff and bluster has been outed. No doubt there will be some new gem's to ponder over in the coming weeks now those arguments have been shot down.

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

It would seem that the supreme court has rejected the view that the devolved parliament have any say triggering article 50.

Of course the MPs from all parts of the UK will have a equal vote

There's three devolved parliaments Clapton. NI being particularly contentious at the moment. However todays' result was pretty much predictable.

Two things however are important from this judgement. Not that you will understand them at all, but from a Scottish and devolved parliaments context and the wider debate surrounding it. This was far more about the Sewel Convention.

1) Is that the 'Federalism/Home Rule' dream is now dead for a sizeable group of Scots. Including more recently Scottish Labour who have been using it as a means and commentary to keep the Union together. Musing about how Sturgeon should settle and be happy with a shiny new all singing, all dancing substantial new powers over fishing/agriculture and loads of other things Scotland Act after Brexit.

The current Scotland Act has just been shown as window dressing.

Senior writer with TheTimes in Scotland.

Kenny Farquharson

Supreme Court view on rights of Holyrood are a deep disappointment. There was an opportunity here to recognise new reality of a changed UK.

Have to say it plainly, this is a depressing moment for those of us who've consistently backed home rule for Scotland within a reformed UK

2) The real s**t is going to hit the fan when Westminster try to take powers back such as fishing and agriculture and use them as bargaining chips. Which it is now obviously on the cards. They'll have to write a new Scotland Act for that too. Folks like Kenny above have some serious thinking to do. They were pinning their hopes on a new Scotland Act and further devolution.

Sturgeon: “now crystal clear that promises made to Scotland by UK Govt about Sewel Convention were not worth the paper they were written on"

Time to sit back and watch the rest unfold for now.

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

There's three devolved parliaments Clapton. NI being particularly contentious at the moment. However todays' result was pretty much predictable.

Two things however are important from this judgement. Not that you will understand them at all, but from a Scottish and devolved parliaments context and the wider debate surrounding it. This was far more about the Sewel Convention.

1) Is that the 'Federalism/Home Rule' dream is dead for a sizeable group of Scots. Including more recently Scottish Labour who have been using it as a means and commentary to keep the Union together. Musing about how Sturgeon should settle and be happy with a shiny new all singing, all dancing substantial new powers over fishing/agriculture and loads of other things Scotland Act after Brexit,

The current Scotland Act has just been shown as window dressing.

Senior writer with TheTimes in Scotland.

2) The real s**t is going to hit the fan when Westminster try to take powers back such as fishing and agriculture and use them as bargaining chips. Which it is now obviously on the cards. They'll have to write a new Scotland Act for that too. Folks like Kenny above have some serious thinking to do. They were pinning their hopes on a new Scotland Act and further devolution.

Time to sit back and watch the rest unfold for now.

Except they're not taking powers back.

They've said they're not going to, and they haven't so far.

It does suggest that those of us saying you're part of the United Kingdom and it's high time you began acting like it are correct, instead of this grievance act Nicola, the SNP and the indy brigade continually perform.

antrobus

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Lets also not forget their take on Sewel. Seems a lot of the indy brigades bluff and bluster has been outed. No doubt there will be some new gem's to ponder over in the coming weeks now those arguments have been shot down.

Yes. It is a political convention - "the policing of its scope and operation is not within the constitutional remit of the courts".

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

There's three devolved parliaments Clapton. NI being particularly contentious at the moment. However todays' result was pretty much predictable.

Two things however are important from this judgement. Not that you will understand them at all, but from a Scottish and devolved parliaments context and the wider debate surrounding it. This was far more about the Sewel Convention.

1) Is that the 'Federalism/Home Rule' dream is dead for a sizeable group of Scots. Including more recently Scottish Labour who have been using it as a means and commentary to keep the Union together. Musing about how Sturgeon should settle and be happy with a shiny new all singing, all dancing substantial new powers over fishing/agriculture and loads of other things Scotland Act after Brexit.

The current Scotland Act has just been shown as window dressing.

Senior writer with TheTimes in Scotland.2) The real s**t is going to hit the fan when Westminster try to take powers back such as fishing and agriculture and use them as bargaining chips. Which it is now obviously on the cards. They'll have to write a new Scotland Act for that too. Folks like Kenny above have some serious thinking to do. They were pinning their hopes on a new Scotland Act and further devolution.

Time to sit back and watch the rest unfold for now.

so you are ever loyal to the dithering Nicola:
another kick in the teeth of the people of scotland and yet Nicola dithers and dithers.
Perhaps you need a English person with some iron in the soul to show you the way to Iscotland. Unless of course the democratic will of the scottish people differs.