The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

TrickyTree83

Conrad wrote: »

The forces of change across Europe could well result in an entirely different complexion, maybe even far right Governments in place within the next year. Add to this the dire economic issues and risks and it adds up to a very unsettled outlook on the horizon.


How can it be rational to argue Scotland, a small nation that would be considerably buffeted by EU storms, must be in the EU?

I said similar, you'll get no response on the enforced membership of the EU intertwined with independence. By the time they have the referendum the EU could well be on its knees, but sure Scotland absolutely must join/remain in it.

Laughable.

Conrad

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I said similar, you'll get no response on the enforced membership of the EU intertwined with independence. By the time they have the referendum the EU could well be on its knees, but sure Scotland absolutely must join/remain in it.

Laughable.

Conclusion; Liberal lefties place idealism top of the tree regardless of the moderating imperative that reality demands?


Example - state you can solve the housing crisis by building more homes without any recognition that in a connected world this new shiny resource would simply attract even more immigration, ergo no housing crisis is solved? Ignore the disastrous effect that denuding the third world of its nurses has?


Idealism trumps practical reality?

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

Pointless.

Plotty plotty plotty - just the politics of posture.

The SNP really don't care about Scots do they - what happened to Sturgeon's statement that a new Referendum would only be held when demanded by the Scottish people? Why don't the SNP care about the added damagingly divisive nature of an unnecessary and oportunist Referendum, whatever the result? Why do they think that asking a reluctant population to vote again on an unsubstantiated Natland fantasy? All that on the basis of invented slavering monsters south of a currently non-existing border?

I love the words plotty plotty plotty... :rotfl:

What happened to Sturgeon's statement ? It was in the May 2016 manifesto.

the Scottish Parliament should have the right to hold another referendum if there is "clear and sustained evidence" that independence has become the preferred option of a majority of the Scottish people - OR if there is a "significant and material" change in circumstances, such as Scotland being taken out of the EU against its will.

Emphasis mine. Scotland is being taken out of the EU against it's will/vote. Now you might be someone who fantasises regularly. But for most in Scotland this was in front of us all in plain old black and white just a few weeks before the Brexit vote.

No one forced anyone to vote for this manifesto promise should they have disagreed. Nor the Scottish Greens come to that. But it ended up anyway with two pro indy parties having a majority in Holyrood between them. Both of whom won't accept Scotland being taken out of the EU/Single Market after that 62% voted against it.

Shakethedisease

cogito wrote: »

Scotland will never vote for independence. The SNP are showing themselves up as one issue fanatics who are utterly useless when it actually comes to carrying out their devolved powers.

Their support has peaked and is starting to wane as people realise this. One odd outcome of this is that the Tories are likely to benefit as Labour is seen as being even more useless than the SNP.

Hmm Theresa May and Ruth Davidson seemed to have missed out on this.. Not bad though for Sturgeon being a one issue fanatic who's utterly useless with devolved powers, being lauded as an all round global thinking decision maker.

@NicolaSturgeon is ranked among @ForeignPolicy's #GlobalThinkers 2016 top decision-makers

https://gt.foreignpolicy.com/2016/profile/nicola-sturgeon?270bc08076=

Shakethedisease

Conrad wrote: »

The forces of change across Europe could well result in an entirely different complexion, maybe even far right Governments in place within the next year. Add to this the dire economic issues and risks and it adds up to a very unsettled outlook on the horizon.


How can it be rational to argue Scotland, a small nation that would be considerably buffeted by EU storms, must be in the EU?

The EU isn't the only ongoing issue. However the Brexit vote has brought things to a head far sooner than anyone thought in terms of Scotland wishing to go one way politically, and England/Wales in another. Yet again. This time not just in UK General Elections or the overall split towards left/right wing politics across the border.

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

What happened to Sturgeon's statement ? It was in the May 2016 manifesto.

Manifesto pledges. Let's start with

We will extend payment of the Living Wage – ensuring that all social care workers receive the Living Wage by October 2016

Has this been delivered in full?

mollycat

Shakethedisease wrote: »

The EU isn't the only ongoing issue. However the Brexit vote has brought things to a head far sooner than anyone thought in terms of Scotland wishing to go one way politically, and England/Wales in another. Yet again. This time not just in UK General Elections or the overall split towards left/right wing politics across the border.

After x3 consecuetive posts from the same source, is it still okay for others to join in? :rotfl:

Nothing has been "brought to a head"; again the arrogance of attempting to speak for an entire electorate, most of whom disagree with you and at last can start to see through the spin.

I for one have no difficulty with people within the UK voting in a different way than I do; suited me fine when I had a lengthy spell of a favoured government and areas elsewhere in the UK didn't.

The boot is on the other foot now; maybe if people here want a government they vote for next time, choosing a party that has the requisite amount of candidates to form a majority would be a sensible start!

TBH, the lack of respect the SNP has for democratic decision making, is an absolute disgrace. I would hate to think that rUK readers of this thread couldn't work out it is a minority of Scottish people who think this way.

I'll let the other poster have their thread back now

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Hmm Theresa May and Ruth Davidson seemed to have missed out on this.. Not bad though for Sturgeon being a one issue fanatic who's utterly useless with devolved powers, being lauded as an all round global thinking decision maker.



https://gt.foreignpolicy.com/2016/profile/nicola-sturgeon?270bc08076=

I don't know all of them but of those I do it reads like a most wanted list for those who are sick of useless, lying, so called "liberal" bureaucrats. And the reasons, my God, this should be classified as fake news.

People who think like the author of the reasons are the biggest threat to Western liberal democracy. They scare me more than Putin. Completely void of logic..

Hillary the incompetent goes high does she? Did she go high when she laughed about acquitting a rapist?

Or Sadiq calling black people who get along with whites "uncle toms", or saying there's too many white men on the TfL board. Such an upstanding racist.

I wonder if the author would care to comment on their ideological diarrhoea.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I don't know all of them but of those I do it reads like a most wanted list for those who are sick of useless, lying, so called "liberal" bureaucrats. And the reasons, my God, this should be classified as fake news.

People who think like the author of the reasons are the biggest threat to Western liberal democracy. They scare me more than Putin. Completely void of logic..

Hillary the incompetent goes high does she? Did she go high when she laughed about acquitting a rapist?

Or Sadiq calling black people who get along with whites "uncle toms", or saying there's too many white men on the TfL board. Such an upstanding racist.

I wonder if the author would care to comment on their ideological diarrhoea.

It's a magazine in existence since 1971. However, it seems Sturgeon has made her mark and name known internationally. Good stuff all round.

Imo you and a few other posters on this site are going a little overboard with the liberal elite line. You sound like Trump parrots. Is like Brexit and the Trump victory have unleashed some sort of inner tendancies hidden in some people before.

Calm down a bit with it eh ? The right is certainly on the rise, no doubt about that. Careful though, that you do not to take it too far. Folks you now term as liberal wishy washy lefties sjw's talking ideological s**t or whatever.. only a few months ago before June were social democrats or left of centre. With opinions and views that mattered just the same as anyone else's. Not so now it seems ?

Anyway, glad you seem to have accepted the inevitability of a second ref if Brexit is not to Scotland's liking. Also the simple fact that the Scottish Govt, consulting the Scottish people seeking their opinion on a consultative basis, isn't illegal :T The timing will be determined as the Scottish Govt choose, not Theresa May either.

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

It's a magazine in existence since 1971. However, it seems Sturgeon has made her mark and name known internationally. Good stuff all round.

Imo you and a few other posters on this site are going a little overboard with the liberal elite line. You sound like Trump parrots. Is like Brexit and the Trump victory have unleashed some sort of inner tendancies hidden in some people before.

Calm down a bit with it eh ? The right is certainly on the rise, no doubt about that. Careful though, that you do not to take it too far. Folks you now term as liberal wishy washy lefties sjw's talking ideological s**t or whatever.. only a few months ago before June were social democrats or left of centre. With opinions and views that mattered just the same as anyone else's. Not so now it seems ?

Anyway, glad you seem to have accepted the inevitability of a second ref if Brexit is not to Scotland's liking. Also the simple fact that the Scottish Govt, consulting the Scottish people seeking their opinion on a consultative basis, isn't illegal :T The timing will be determined as the Scottish Govt choose, not Theresa May either.

What I said has nothing to do with being for Trump. I think he's a bad candidate. Hillary is worse though. What astonishes me is part of the world ignores the bad people like Hillary do, because to them they hold the 'correct' ideas. Integrity no longer appears to matter. Trump may be all the things people claim him to be, but that still pales into comparison against Hillary.

Like some kind of delusion disease. Where transgressions don't matter, what you do doesn't matter as long as you say the right things.