The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

kabayiri

If Nicola S forces the issue and the voters don't back her then she's toast!

So, bring it on, I say . I'll bring the popcorn.

Meanwhile, I'm still trying to work out how iScotland would be at the "heart of Europe". Perhaps she meant the bowels?

Shakethedisease

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Unless there's actually a referendum held then it's an unknown quantity. Polls recently now been proved to be so highly unreliable as to hold no credibility at all.

Yes, you're right there. In either direction.

But some on here are convinced one YouGov poll and it's all over for Sturgeon. Have a word will you ?

Conrad

Todays News, the lefties get it wrong again;




Mr Wilson’s commission has been charged by the First Minister with examining ways to increase Scotland’s economic growth, which is lagging far behind the UK’s, in the wake of the Brexit vote and if there was a vote for independence.


In a series of tweets, he said: “Unless we understand incentives & behaviour change we fail at tax policy. Scotland needs to attract economically active migrants. Urgently.”


He added: “Tax policy is also a message to a large group of people thinking about Scotland as a place to live & work.”


A third tweet noted that the SNP’s Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (LBTT), the replacement for Stamp Duty, “went up at the top hoping to be ‘revenue neutral’ but we lost income. What did we learn?”

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

The UK had to pass an act for the EU advisory referendum, it went through parliament. If Scotland wanted a referendum on independence it would make sense, given the 2014 precedent that it too would have to go through parliament.

The UK government had to pass legislation for a UK referendum. In 2011 Salmond was adamant he was going ahead with a referendum no matter what Cameron said about blocking one ( Salmond laughed a lot I remember at the blocking idea ). Cameron caved.

In effect what the Prof Black is saying is that no court in the world would ever rule it 'illegal' for the Scottish Govt to consult with it's own Scottish residents, on any matter it so chooses to on a consultative or advisory basis.

Sturgeon will ask for a section 30 though first. And it's the result of a Yes vote where the real legal stuff comes in, not before. If it is a Yes vote, and am by no means saying it will be, however if it is then Westminster has lost already.

Is why Scotland in Union and the Scottish Tories are going mad on the street stalls getting signatures in order to stop one happening at all. Explains also why Kezia Dugdale has gone all federalist suddenly. Probably in vain it has to be said if there's a hard Brexit.

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

If Nicola S forces the issue and the voters don't back her then she's toast!

So, bring it on, I say . I'll bring the popcorn.

I believe the Labour party campaigned on that very notion last time round in Scotland. SNP = Lost referendum = Toast. Well...

Meanwhile, I'm still trying to work out how iScotland would be at the "heart of Europe". Perhaps she meant the bowels?

Probably more the fishing grounds. Spain would like to keep their piece of that action.

Hintza

Shakethedisease wrote: »

(Quoting your quote)

The next time a bill is promised that gives Holyrood “extensive new powers” and “entrenches its constitutional status” it will be subjected to such withering scrutiny that it may be impossible to draft anything that can command the confidence of Scottish voters.

Well their is a first time for everything I suppose.

The Scottish Government's attempts at writing legislation are either half ars*d or just blatant cut and paste.

(The SNP are guilty but to be fair I suspect the previous administrations were probably equally bad)

.string.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

May hasn't made an offer of a referendum. There will be no illegal poll on independence, however an advisory/consultative referendum might be on the cards in the event a Section 30 order is refused by Westminster.

Pointless.

Plotty plotty plotty - just the politics of posture.

The SNP really don't care about Scots do they - what happened to Sturgeon's statement that a new Referendum would only be held when demanded by the Scottish people? Why don't the SNP care about the added damagingly divisive nature of an unnecessary and oportunist Referendum, whatever the result? Why do they think that asking a reluctant population to vote again on an unsubstantiated Natland fantasy? All that on the basis of invented slavering monsters south of a currently non-existing border?

Hintza

Conrad wrote: »

In a series of tweets, he said: “Unless we understand incentives & behaviour change we fail at tax policy. Scotland needs to attract economically active migrants. Urgently.”

This is an area that is so important to Scotland whether as a part of the UK or independent. Historically one of Scotland's greatest strengths was her financial sector admired by the world for solid conservatism and the along came the fools that took RBS and BoS off to neverland.

300+ years of good work out the window in metaphorical split second of madness.

(Whilst writing this I was thinking why did Scotland gain such a good name in the financial sector. I wonder if it was the damage caused by the failed Darian Gap venture that instilled a national caution?)

cogito

Scotland will never vote for independence. The SNP are showing themselves up as one issue fanatics who are utterly useless when it actually comes to carrying out their devolved powers.

Their support has peaked and is starting to wane as people realise this. One odd outcome of this is that the Tories are likely to benefit as Labour is seen as being even more useless than the SNP.

Conrad

The forces of change across Europe could well result in an entirely different complexion, maybe even far right Governments in place within the next year. Add to this the dire economic issues and risks and it adds up to a very unsettled outlook on the horizon.


How can it be rational to argue Scotland, a small nation that would be considerably buffeted by EU storms, must be in the EU?