The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Hintza

Shakethedisease wrote: »

It's the same for Kezia.

I'll concede that but Kezia isn't the first minister!

Moto2

Shakethedisease wrote: »

It's the same for Kezia. And at the end of the day at least it's Sturgeon's facebook page. Not a crowd of Scottish Labour MSP's standing about grinning like lemons with a cardboard cut out of Clinton. Or Dugdale jetting off for 3 days last week to 'help out' the campaign.

Got to admit would rather Clinton than Trump. I think it's something most of us would echo.

What happened with the 'bestie mates' with Trump?

zagubov

Hintza wrote: »

This clip from QT in 2013 is worth a look. Regardless of what you think of George Galloway he talks a lot of sense here.

This is the ugliness of the SNP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAGGxgrR4qo

The newspapers did track down members of the group, identifying them as members of anti-racist and far-left groups like the SSP.

If there was an identifiable SNP activist in the group that heckled Farage, are you seriously telling us he or she wouldn't have been named and shamed in the news media?

And the same goes for the hothead who egged Jim Murphy. If he'd had any links to the SNP they'd have been more than hinted at, the press would have been all over him like a rash.

Moto2

zagubov wrote: »

That's interesting. Scotland's a country where just about every newspaper counts as an "opposition daily" and where what might be considered a state broadcaster freely criticises the government (as long as it's the SNP and not Labour).

Are you seriously worried that freedom of speech there is under threat?

That's good isn't it?
I'd love it if every news source in every country criticised and held the government of the day to account.
Think yourselves lucky.

Hintza

Perhaps you should take the QT clip as a whole, and not just concentrate on Farage.

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Salmond had nothing to do with the protest though. Nothing whatsoever. It was Farage who brought him into it by announcing that it was the 'ugly face of Scottish Nationalists' who had lead the protest. He was wrong in that too. It was a university group among other left wing organisations.

We debated this at the time it happened. Farage pointed the finger at the wrong people. Pure and simple. Galloway jumped, as he so often does, on the wrong bandwagon. You might want to turn your attention to 2016 now and the fact that Theresa May has so far failed to condemn attacks on 'openly gay' judges. This story is a little bit out of date by about three years or so.

You are on the outside looking in otherwise you wouldn't be holding up Galloway as a paragon of truth on a story that occurred years ago... in order to score points, any points no matter how vague and out of touch with how the Scottish electorate think and vote, against the SNP. They're by no means perfect, and very far from it. But they had nothing whatsoever to do with this Farage protest no matter what Galloway says. You should just accept that for what it actually is.

Didn't answer the question did you? Just rambled on about it having nothing to do with the SNP, and attacking me for discussing the point.

Check what Salmond said about it. And if Galloway was right then there's a good chance he was right about his predicted politics of grudge.

TrickyTree83

zagubov wrote: »

That's interesting. Scotland's a country where just about every newspaper counts as an "opposition daily" and where what might be considered a state broadcaster freely criticises the government (as long as it's the SNP and not Labour).

Are you seriously worried that freedom of speech there is under threat?

From the liberal left, which is a wide array of political views and parties. Yes. It quite clearly is. One example, hate speech, a liberal legislative construct to stifle opinions that might offend. Say something against women and you're a misogynist, say something against men and you're a feminist, one is portrayed as good, the other bad. When in truth both should be hate speech, but they're not.

.string.

Hintza wrote: »

This clip from QT in 2013 is worth a look. Regardless of what you think of George Galloway he talks a lot of sense here.

This is the ugliness of the SNP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAGGxgrR4qo

Like many here I suspect, I don't like Galloway's politics (nor Farage's for that matter) but he was right on what he said. The clip did not show the remarks that Robertson made before which provoked Galloway; presumably they were to the effect of complaining that Galloway was on the panel.

Galloway was arguing against the attitude that people should not have the right to speak their mind and he was well justified in what he said.

Shakethedisease

Hintza wrote: »

Utter tosh.

I guess it wasn't nationalists who hounded Jim Murphy at every turn either!

Jim Murphy went and stood in crowded shopping centers on a crate with a PA system then shouted at passers by whether they wanted to hear him or not.

We can see from the results of the GE 2015 what everyone thought about him.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Didn't answer the question did you? Just rambled on about it having nothing to do with the SNP, and attacking me for discussing the point.

Check what Salmond said about it. And if Galloway was right then there's a good chance he was right about his predicted politics of grudge.

No you did. You're arguing against yourself. Freedom of speech and the right to protest were exactly the reasons Salmond didn't condemn the protest. And he said so at the time.

Now you're trying to argue that Salmond was trying to shut down freedom of speech and the right to protest at the same time as asking me to check what Salmond said, which was that people have the right to protest and freedom of speech to do so.

Make up your minds ( string too ) ---->

Galloway was arguing against the attitude that people should not have the right to speak their mind and he was well justified in what he said.

Salmond agreed with him which is why he didn't condemn the protest. And he was also well justified in saying so.

You're tying yourselves in knots trying to paint a picture which is not there. Salmond, Farage and Galloway ALL agree on freedom of speech/right to protest etc. ONLY Salmond was asked to condemn it for some reason ? On a protest that was nothing to do with him ? You're confusing only yourselves with your arguments here.