The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

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beecher2 wrote: »

Angus Robertson was making the point that there there was one politician on the panel in favour of independence, and 4 opposed, and also that there was a by election in Scotland where George Galloway and Nigel Farage's parties were not standing. So not about George Galloway specifically. Incidentally, George Galloway is the worst MP I have ever had in my life, and I've had a few crackers represent me.

That is not the QT format. People invited to appear are those with views not puppets on one side or the other. You will recall that we get all sorts appearing.

I know you've got blinkers on Shakey, but be aware that Galloway was articulating what everyone thinks of the SNP.

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mollycat wrote: »

And we can see from the 2014 Independence Referendum what everyone thought about us removing ourselves from the UK!

I liked your use of the word "everyone". I just used it myself. Shakey will be proud if us .

mollycat

.string. wrote: »

I know you've got blinkers on Shakey, but be aware that Galloway was articulating what everyone thinks of the SNP.

And 100% accurately too...."down a road where grudge is everything".

Exactly right; the world view of the nationalists confounds belief...astonishingly lucky to be born into a democracy such as the UK, but all they can see is a spurious discrimination and unfairness.

I don't know where this chip-on -the shoulderism came from over the past decade or so, but it's not a national characteristic I recognise from decades ago.

Maybe it's the overexposure to Sturgeon, Salmond, Robertson and co that makes it appear more prevelant than it is.

To my mind thankfully, most Scots still retain a contentment with life that defies the narrative of the nationalists.

Shakethedisease

Rinoa wrote: »

Scotland gets one vote per citizen, same as England, Wales and Scotland. Sounds equal to me.

That's politics. This is a legal matter and the legal framework of the UK regarding parliamentary process and sovereignty.

It'll again be about Legislative Consent as posted earlier in the thread. There's also this summed up in two tweets ( rather than links to the relevant acres of legal spiel ).

Law and policy ‏@Law_and_policy Government submissions re prerogative that may have won on English law alone will now have to also address Scots and N Irish points.

"principle of unlimited sovereignty of Parliament is a distinctively English principle & has no counterpart in Scottish constitutional law"

MacCormick v Lord Advocate 1953

Be an interesting legal test if this angle is included. In the main though, it will be about Legislative consent. Good to see all parties in Scotland getting fully behind the Scottish Govt/Sturgeon and supporting this (apart from the Tories). Wales and NI are doing the same.

Maybe the Tories will just drop the appeal.

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

I know you've got blinkers on Shakey, but be aware that Galloway was articulating what everyone thinks of the SNP.

Of course he was. That's why the SNP keep winning elections in Scotland.

I do wonder about your logical deduction facilities sometimes. You seem to think everyone in Scotland hates the SNP. Yet the facts dictate otherwise. Some people on here like Mollycat and Hintza obviously do and are wild eyed and absolutely desperate for the SNP to come crashing down. Laughably so sometimes from the numberous 'cracks start to show' and posts they make on repeat.

Try not to get too carried away because you also so desperately want them to be representative of Scots and what everyone 'thinks'. With respect to them they are very far from it these days. Hoping against hope for the good old days in Scotland pre-2011 which, for them are sadly never coming back.

mollycat

.string. wrote: »

I liked your use of the word "everyone". I just used it myself. Shakey will be proud if us .

Not sure about that, but I think there will be a flurry of posting, probably lengthy in nature, which will present opinion as fact and seek to get your well observed points shoved onto the previous page and harder to read.

I predict a "discrediting" of scottish based posters as misrepresentative, this despite this being a UK wide forum, there are only ever a half dozen or so pro indy posters who can be bothered to contribute!!

Edit.....it happened as I typed!

Transparent, predictable and worst of all untrue

Shakethedisease

mollycat wrote: »

Not sure about that, but I think there will be a flurry of posting, probably lengthy in nature, which will present opinion as fact and seek to get your well observed points shoved onto the previous page and harder to read.

I predict a "discrediting" of scottish based posters as misrepresentative, this despite this being a UK wide forum, there are only ever a half dozen or so pro indy posters who can be bothered to contribute!!

Nice 'prediction', after you'd read my post above of course. :rotfl:Poor string, getting innocently drawn into endless talk and snipes about other posters on this thread rather than than the thread content itself. Oh well, up to him I suppose.

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Edit.....it happened as I typed!

Transparent, predictable and worst of all untrue

Haha lol ! Nice work

mollycat

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Nice 'prediction', after you'd read my post above of course. :rotfl:Poor string, getting innocently drawn into endless talk and snipes about other posters on this thread rather than than the thread content itself. Oh well, up to him I suppose.

Read post 4835.......a post by string inviting comment by myself, which I responded to; threrefore he was not "innocently drawn" into anything.

Is there a reason you have to endlessly spin absolutely everything on this thread?

You were called out for being a distant friend of the truth yesterday by several posters, but there's no stopping the endless propaganda, it goes on and on which admittedly is the purpose of the thread.

Not representative?

Born in Scotland of Scottish parents, lived here for 53 years, council estate childhood, comprehensively educated, worked in both heavy industry and latterly the public sector, and intend to live here for the rest of my life, (unlike one of the pro-indy posters who frequents here).

In the eyes of most objective scots completely representative; for the purpose of you pro-independence propaganda thread, conveniently not of course. :rotfl:

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Nice 'prediction', after you'd read my post above of course. :rotfl:Poor string, getting innocently drawn into endless talk and snipes about other posters on this thread rather than than the thread content itself. Oh well, up to him I suppose.

Edit Haha lol ! Nice work

The 'snipes' only appear to occur because of the irrationality of the SNP and their supporters dogma.

I was recently reading on facebook that independence supporters do not believe that the recent ruling (if upheld) would apply to a Scottish advisory referendum. They really do make it up as they go along. In fact no so long back you were also saying an advisory referendum is all that is required, we bickered for quite some time about it. I recall conceding as it's not my main argument/point, which is that regardless of whether you can or cannot, it remains the stupid choice.

Shakethedisease

mollycat wrote: »

Read post 4835.......a post by string inviting comment by myself, which I responded to; threrefore he was not "innocently drawn" into anything.

Is there a reason you have to endlessly spin absolutely everything on this thread?

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getting innocently drawn into endless talk and snipes about other posters on this thread rather than than the thread content itself.

You were called out for being a distant friend of the truth yesterday by several posters, but there's no stopping the endless propaganda, it goes on and on which admittedly is the purpose of the thread.<

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getting innocently drawn into endless talk and snipes about other posters on this thread rather than than the thread content itself.

Not representative?

Born in Scotland of Scottish parents, lived here for 53 years, council estate childhood, comprehensively educated, worked in both heavy industry and latterly the public sector, and intend to live here for the rest of my life, (unlike one of the pro-indy posters who frequents here).

Good to know.

In the eyes of most objective scots completely representative; for the purpose of you pro-independence propaganda thread, conveniently not of course. :rotfl:

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getting innocently drawn into endless talk and snipes about other posters on this thread rather than than the thread content itself.

Have you anything at all to say about the latest developments today ? Be good to hear your views if you can perhaps make them without reference to any other posters on this thread. Just your own view on things would be nice to hear for a change rather than what you personally think about other posters here which is to be frank, a little yawn inducing.