The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Shakethedisease

skintmacflint wrote: »

At least that's how I view it. And like you I'm also entitled to my opinion. At least for now, until SNP or some other virtue signalling parties finally succeed in prohibiting free speech and thought with more regulations which 'they ' deem necessary for our own good.

To be fair, Moby's posts are from the outside looking in with far less in the way of bias than either you or I display. More or less spot on I thought personally.

zagubov

Tromking wrote: »

So the SNP would lose seats in your view?
Interesting conundrum for Sturgeon and the SNP, carry out her avowed threat to block, delay and generally try and thwart Brexit and she runs the risk of a GE where she may lose MPs on a campaign that would be seen as an unofficial vote on independence.

I never expected the SNP Westminster landslide. I thought they might gain 20ish seats instead of their usual 6. I used to think that Scots voted in Holyrood elections with their thoughts on independence, and voted in Westminster on which unionist party would fight Scotland's corner. I wouldn't be surprised if the SNP lost Westminster seats I never expected them to gain in the first place. But it's quite likely they won't lose many, perhaps even none. The unionist parties have just degenerated into toxic brands north of the Tweed. That's why the SNP are doing so well.

I don't think Nic's in the least bit worried by a loss of MPs who're clearly the SNPs political B team, whose job is to abolish their own jobs. Maybe they'd defect to the unionist parties, but that would be like jumping from the lifeboats into the Titanic.

Tromking

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Remember this the next time you're getting carried away about the SNP losing loads of seats in a snap election.

Fully aware of the fixed term parliament thingy.
The word snap was mine, but you do concede that in the event of Brexit 'inertia' it is within the PM`s remit to call an early GE don`t you?
That being agreed, any guess on SNP seat losses (if any) at a GE next year?

Shakethedisease

Tromking wrote: »

Fully aware of the fixed term parliament thingy.
The word snap was mine, but you do concede that in the event of Brexit 'inertia' it is within the PM`s remit to call an early GE don`t you?
That being agreed, any guess on SNP seat losses (if any) at a GE next year?

No, it's parliaments call now, not May's. A few previous rural SNP/Conservative marginals in the NE where Labour has never been in play ? Maybe, but not many. Most other areas in Scotland were a straight swap from Labour to SNP.

Also take into account that the Conservatives are very unlikely to get anything like the free ride they got during the last Holyrood election touting themselves as the smiley funny PR based 'Ruth Davidson' party.

The Daily Record and other newspapers and media outlets seem to have at last caught on that aiming fire at the Conservatives rather than the SNP when it comes to Westminster politics is far more reader friendly. In 2015 they were still clinging on punting Jim Murphy 24/7 in a desperate hope that all the polls were terribly, terribly wrong regarding Labour. In fact they were much worse, and that's all gone now. They'll be aiming all they have at the Tories in any future GE.

beecher2

Tromking wrote: »

So the SNP would lose seats in your view?
Interesting conundrum for Sturgeon and the SNP, carry out her avowed threat to block, delay and generally try and thwart Brexit and she runs the risk of a GE where she may lose MP`s on a campaign that would be seen as an unofficial vote on independence.

I think that is how her actions are seen down south but by for those who voted SNP last time, they're more likely to see it as standing up for Scotland in a way Kezia couldn't and Ruth wouldn't. I'm not saying the SNP is universally liked, but I just don't see evidence of them losing enough support to allow tactical voting to be successful. Not when they're on 49% for Westminster intentions.

Moto2

Shakethedisease wrote: »

No, it's parliaments call now, not May's.

In theory

It would be relatively simple for her to introduce a one clause bill announcing the date of the next election but leaving the fixed term act in place.
As long as she could get that through (which she would), there's be no need for votes of no confidence etc.

wotsthat

Shakethedisease wrote: »

No, it's parliaments call now, not May's. A few previous rural SNP/Conservative marginals in the NE where Labour has never been in play ? Maybe, but not many. Most other areas in Scotland were a straight swap from Labour to SNP.

If parliament get to vote on A50 and are defeated there will almost certainly be a general election. The who and how it happens will get sorted in short order.

Shakethedisease

wotsthat wrote: »

If parliament get to vote on A50 and are defeated there will almost certainly be a general election. The who and how it happens will get sorted in short order.

In which case, and as the third biggest party currently.. you should be more worried that the Lib Dems gain traction by opposing Brexit knocking out any Tory majority and the SNP ending up holding the balance of power ( even if they lose a few NE seats in Scotland ).

The media was freaking out about that possibility last time round. Hopefully they'll do so again, as the unintentional anti-Scots narrative that prevailed with the Salmond posters, 'rivers of blood' articles etc.. punted loads of angry people the SNP's way votes wise.

molerat

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-37861162 and she complains about it !

beecher2

molerat wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-37861162 and she complains about it !

Complains about the delay, the uncertainty and the fact it wasn't what was promised. The two union guys said much the same. Nicola Sturgeon says she welcomes the work, but she's well within her rights to point out that there are 8 ships being built and not 13, and that there's been a delay.