The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

TrickyTree83

beecher2 wrote: »

Ewan McGregor's upset her too by saying he supported independence the day after Brexit. Now, he doesn't have a vote and would maybe change his mind but it does show that Brexit has changed things for some people. Both Hugo Rifkind and Kenny Farquharson make the point that the emotional argument is important, something which is completely ignored by Tricky et al, who has just defaulted to 'you're wrong' which is quite hilarious.

Obviously, because when you're asking people to stomach:

- tax rises, greater than they've seen in recent memory.

- spending cuts, that make George Osborne's (and you lot love him!) austerity look like minor budgetary tweaks.

- if not the above, a new currency with stifled capital flows (big problem!) and massive devaluation (bigger problem!) that makes the sterling 20% fall in value look like a drop in the ocean.

- if not that then the Euro, and austerity from Wolfgang Schäuble, I'm sure he cares about you just as much as the Greeks. They won't come bearing gifts, you'll be robbing your elderly of income, the hospitals of their budgets, the police, fire, ambulance, etc... of money in order to cough up what you've been told you need to pay.

- the border effect (from a Scottish academic study!!!) where Scotland's GDP will fall 5.5% just because there's a border.

- loss of jobs, means loss of tax revenue, means higher welfare bill when you already cannot afford the bill you have right now.

- the realisation that a sovereign oil fund requires 10 - 20 years of input, and lower government expenditure in the meantime until it's a viable source of money to offset government expenditure. So any/all of the above still has to take place even with your beloved oil fund?

Is it going to be hilarious then?

I expect if you went out into the street after any of the above came to pass you'd get a smack in the mouth if you were laughing at the people who have to suffer the consequences of your actions.

Facts don't care about your feelings.

beecher2

I love this article
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/726759/Author-JK-Rowling-reveals-vile-anti-English-racist-tweets-from-Scottish-nationalists

Do the people typing vile antiScottish comments under the 'article' have no sense of irony at all?

PS sorry tricky, but I must confess that I can't be bothered reading your post anymore. Please don't take it personally but you just post the same thing over and over and over and over.....

TrickyTree83

beecher2 wrote: »

I love this article
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/726759/Author-JK-Rowling-reveals-vile-anti-English-racist-tweets-from-Scottish-nationalists

Do the people typing vile antiScottish comments under the 'article' have no sense of irony at all?

PS sorry tricky, but I must confess that I can't be bothered reading your post anymore. Please don't take it personally but you just post the same thing over and over and over and over.....

As you wish. Like I said at least I can open the eyes of the neutral/causal reader even if you're intent on being myopic.

Oh and yes, if you see anti-Scottish rhetoric starting to make the rounds, it's because the SNP have successfully sown division in the Union. Top job.

Don't remember Scots or English hating on each other in such numbers pre-SNP. Historically it was always banter like it is with the Welsh.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Legal expert, Tobias Lock, a lecturer in EU Law at Edinburgh Law School, said Scotland could only take over the UK’s EU membership if a vote for independence took place before Brexit was complete.

“ Much would depend on how the Brexit negotiations go, but it looks like it would be quite an elegant solution.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14831876.__39_Independent_Scotland_could_remain_in_the_EU_after_Brexit_as_successor_state_to_UK__39_/

Get on with it ScotGov - call Indyref2 as soon as May triggers article 50.

TrickyTree83

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14831876.__39_Independent_Scotland_could_remain_in_the_EU_after_Brexit_as_successor_state_to_UK__39_/

Get on with it ScotGov - call Indyref2 as soon as May triggers article 50.

Says he who allegedly would only vote for independence if there was no single market access and freedom of movement.

Were you lying?

Why are you not advocating waiting until the result of negotiations are known?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Says he who allegedly would only vote for independence if there was no single market access and freedom of movement.

Were you lying?

Why are you not advocating waiting until the result of negotiations are known?

We cannot risk being caught out and it'll take time to gear up for a referendum.

Nothing to stop the Scotgov triggering Indyref on the basis it'll be withdrawn if the UK stays in the Single Market.

That will focus minds in Westminster.

Although in fairness - the prize of full EU membership might just be worth going for anyway - after all how can we trust a future Tory govt to keep the UK in the single market? They can withdraw form the EEA/EFTA at any time with just a 12 month notice.

So perhaps a guarantee that Scotland will never be taken out of the Single Market against our will might be required if we do go down that road.

TrickyTree83

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

We cannot risk being caught out and it'll take time to gear up for a referendum.

Nothing to stop the Scotgov triggering Indyref on the basis it'll be withdrawn if the UK stays in the Single Market.

That will focus minds in Westminster.

Do you honestly think the SNP would withdraw it?

They've schemed and lied to get this far.

beecher2

Hamish can I ask if you know others who feel the same way as you, that is to say were no voters but would now vote yes?

The timing is very difficult, and it is a huge decision for Nicola Sturgeon. I don't envy her.

.string.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14831876.__39_Independent_Scotland_could_remain_in_the_EU_after_Brexit_as_successor_state_to_UK__39_/

Get on with it ScotGov - call Indyref2 as soon as May triggers article 50.

"un-worldly" is probably the most polite way of describing what this "expert" has to say on the matter.

.string.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

.... Nothing to stop the Scotgov triggering Indyref on the basis it'll be withdrawn if the UK stays in the Single Market.

That will focus minds in Westminster. ...

Yes there is, - A formal statement from the UK Government stating that the Referendum is unlawful and unconstitutional.

PS - I asked you a question a page or so ago regarding your origin of the 10% deficit claim and the meaning of a "Hard Brexit". Are you so far gone onto the Dark Side that you no longer respond to questions?