The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

elantan

How is it total Brussels control ? Does Brussels fully control WM just now ?

setmefree2

skintmacflint wrote: »

Since the day after the Ind Ref, all we have heard from SNP and Yes supporters is threats of a 2nd Ref. Everything SNP MPs and MSPs have done since 2014 is attempt to create division , bad feeling and distrust between us and our neighbours. The only thing which will stop this, is losing a 2nd referendum.

The only thing that will stop this is if people STOP voting SNP. Even if they lose there will be another referendum and another.

Why are you even voting for them - they can't even manage your economy?

• Scotland’s NHS Is In Trouble
• Scottish deficit grows to nearly £15bn as oil revenues collapse
  
  Deficit is now equivalent to 9.5% of its GDP, with latest figures showing bigger gap between tax income and spending than UK
• Scotland is a bigger economic basket case than Greece

elantan

How's the NHS doing elsewhere in the UK in comparison ?

TrickyTree83

elantan wrote: »

How's the NHS doing elsewhere in the UK in comparison ?

Not an argument. Scotland can look after itself, and the SNP are a good and trustworthy government, right?

Stop harping on about the UK when you're backed into a corner. Scotland should have better services, they're paid more per head than anywhere else in the country. Which an independent Scotland wouldn't be able to afford.

setmefree2

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Long term it should obviously be the Euro.

Not obvious at all.

Nobel-prize winning economist who advises Nicola Sturgeon has argued that the SNP’s pledge in the 2014 referendum campaign that an independent Scotland would keep the pound may have been a “mistake”. Joseph Stiglitz, who sits on the First Minister’s Council of Economic Advisers, also warned Ms Sturgeon she should also have “strong second thoughts” about Scotland leaving the UK and joining the EU if that means adopting the euro.
Instead, he argued that a separate Scotland should if possible adopt a free-floating Scottish pound, which he said could be used to stimulate the economy and lower the country’s enormous deficit.
He said he hoped the EU would be willing to admit a new member state without it adopting the euro but admitted that a Scottish pound may only be a “transition” to the single currency if no opt-out was agreed.

In a dire warning against using the Euro Prof Stiglitz warned it would mean a separate Scotland’s economy being “ruled by Frankfurt” and this was “too high a price” to pay.

It came the week after it emerged that Scotland’s public spending deficit hit nearly £15 billion last year, which at 9.5 per cent of GDP outstrips even crisis-hit Greece.

"If you were forced to join the euro as a price of joining the EU, then I would have very strong second thoughts," he said.
"It's too high a price. Your economy should not be ruled by Frankfurt, which is what would happen if you had to join the euro." He criticised the manner in which Germany forced other member states such as Greece and Spain to adopt harsh austerity policies to get their deficits down.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/30/joseph-stiglitz-warns-nicola-sturgeon-against-independent-scotla/

setmefree2

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

But given the UK's entire nuclear deterrent is based in Scotland and moving it would be horrifically expensive and politically near impossible we're not without some negotiating chips in that regard....

TBH given the cost - I doubt it would be moved - it would probably be the end of Trident - plenty of arguments in favour of getting rid of it anyhoos.

setmefree2

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

In the event of a hard Brexit the UK deficit will be also be around 10%.

OK where did you get that figure from? And have you learned nothing? Trying to predict the effects of Brexit has probably cost Mark Carney his job and his reputation (not to mention the reputations of the IMF, The Treasury, The World Bank and the OECD) but here's Hamish McTavish thinking he knows what the UK deficit will be.

Please.

.string.

elantan wrote: »

How is it total Brussels control ? Does Brussels fully control WM just now ?

No, although there were elements of it which persuaded the bulk of the UK to vote for Brexit. The UK had effectively opted out of the "Ever closer union" thing, does not belong to Schengen nor to the Eurozone. Scotland would have no such deal should it ever join the EU, Scotland would be adsorbed in a way that would never happen in the UK. Already there are pushes to have EU controls over what are now national taxes (corporation tax for example) and even for direct taxes on the population by the EU itself.

sss555s

CLAPTON wrote: »

at least you are honest; that you believe the people of scotland are too stupid to be told the truth
or do you mean they are too smart to vote for the truth and so best not tell them

pathetic.

I think the Scottish public would think them stupid if they revealed their plans at this stage. All will be revealed before anything is decided.

Talking of decided deals, can you fill me in on the details of the Nissan deal as I seem to have missed that?

Pathetic!

setmefree2 wrote: »

The only thing that will stop this is if people STOP voting SNP. Even if they lose there will be another referendum and another.

Why are you even voting for them - they can't even manage your economy?

• Scotland’s NHS Is In Trouble
• Scottish deficit grows to nearly £15bn as oil revenues collapse
  
  Deficit is now equivalent to 9.5% of its GDP, with latest figures showing bigger gap between tax income and spending than UK
• Scotland is a bigger economic basket case than Greece

• Scotland's NHS is in better shape than anywhere else in the UK.
• The £15bn is Scotland's "share" of the UK spending . There will never be accurate figures while Westminster (or the media) cook the books. The oil is still there and would be far better managed if it was to provide revenue for just 5m nation in the future. It was never relied on as a consistent figure but always quoted as being the cherry on the top or we would rather have it than not!

• Scotland is also less of an economic basket case than the future UK.

TrickyTree83

sss555s wrote: »

I think the Scottish public would think them stupid if they revealed their plans at this stage. All will be revealed before anything is decided.

Talking of decided deals, can you fill me in on the details of the Nissan deal as I seem to have missed that?

Pathetic!

• Scotland's NHS is in better shape than anywhere else in the UK.
• The £15bn is Scotland's "share" of the UK deficit by % of population. The oil is still there and would be far better managed if it was to provide revenue for just 5m nation in the future. It was never relied on as a consistent figure but always quoted as being the cherry on the top or we would rather have it than not!

• Scotland is also less of an economic basket case than the future UK.

Read some facts about your oil fund proposal. You won't be back here touting that line if you knew the truth.