The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

beecher2

Thrugelmir wrote: »

At least Brexit will be structured, planned and considered. .

Seriously? This is a joke, surely?

TrickyTree83

beecher2 wrote: »

Seriously? This is a joke, surely?

If the economics of an independent Scotland don't matter, Thrugelmir can think what he likes about Brexit and it makes it true. That appears to be the reasoning we're following on this thread.

Personally I believe that I've an invisible unicorn in my back garden who farts gold dust.

If you're going to be a realist as a philosophical position you can't pick and choose what you apply that to, in the same way you cannot be Libertarian who believes in the NAP but condones smacking their child. Otherwise you're just guilty of hypocrisy.

CLAPTON

beecher2 wrote: »

Seriously? This is a joke, surely?

forty years and the SNP still don't know what currency they want nor how their banks (if any) with be supported or regulated nor how much they will borrow.

By comparision brexit is progressing at a reasonable rate considering a standing start. Obviously we would all like article 50 be already be implemented, but spring doesn't seem unreasonble.

beecher2

There does not seem to me to any evidence that Brexit will be structured, planned and considered. My problem with people on this thread is that they seem to have the ability to know exactly what will happen in the future, and present it as facts. I find it quite laughable to be honest, Clapton's last post made me laugh out loud - we know absolutely nothing about what type of Brexit we will end up with but to him, everything progressing well. I could of course shout 'what kind of trade deal will we have' endless times to him, but that seems sort of daft to me.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Will Scotland have a massive deficit? Yes, approx 10%.
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In the event of a hard Brexit the UK deficit will be also be around 10%.

Thrugelmir

beecher2 wrote: »

Seriously? This is a joke, surely?

Not to those involved. Civil Servants aren't comedians. They undertake their duties in a professional manner. The joke is listening to people who haven't a clue as they are too wrapped up in their own bubble. When there's a far bigger world outside.

TrickyTree83

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

In the event of a hard Brexit the UK deficit will be also be around 10%.

Based on a forecast was it?

Is GERS a forecast? No.

If Scotland becomes independent it will also suffer because the UK suffers. Making that 10% deficit worse.

Just face the facts. For once, and tell us all what the plan for the deficit is for iscotland.

kabayiri

beecher2 wrote: »

There does not seem to me to any evidence that Brexit will be structured, planned and considered.
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There is a structure. Article 50 defines the timeframe and the basic outline. Is that not evidence?

There is a timeframe. We know the starting date and we know the planned duration.

I don't see why the internal detail will be shared with the likes of you and me, particularly when there might be different tactics still on the table.

It is extremely unlikely they will all turn up in a room in Brussels in March next year with blank pieces of paper and discuss random things with EU officials as they come into their head.

The first thing they will do is identify priority issues for each party, and negotiating positions, what is a so-called red line and what isn't.

I for one shall leave them to it. They are paid to negotiate the best deal for all of UK.

kabayiri

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

In the event of a hard Brexit the UK deficit will be also be around 10%.

Does that make the economic conditions for a new iScotland better or worse do you think?

You worry about the demise of the trading relationship between UK and the EU.

Don't you have a similar worry about the demise of the Scotland/rUK relationship?

beecher2

I just find it it interesting that the Scottish debate is so very different. Yes are unlikely to get away with saying 'look, just vote yes and we'll leave the negotiators to get the best deal for Scotland. We don't need a plan about what kind of Scotland we'll live in'.