The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

elantan

https://youtu.be/mVy7faNKEtM a wee bit of Monday morning humour for you .. beware a couple of bad words

Saw.it last week and had a wee giggle at it

TrickyTree83

elantan wrote: »

https://youtu.be/mVy7faNKEtM a wee bit of Monday morning humour for you .. beware a couple of bad words

Saw.it last week and had a wee giggle at it

Will you, Shake and Leanne be writing and singing a song to the rest of Scotland when you put half a million Scottish jobs on the line?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

kabayiri wrote: »

I'm all for Scottish independence if the majority want it, but I don't want it to hinder Brexit. There is plenty of time and political space after Brexit to resolve Scottish independence.

A clear majority of Scots want to stay in the EU.

As Scottish independence may be the only way to achieve that then the time to resolve the Indy question is now.

If that leaves May and/or the Brexit negotiations in an uncomfortable position then so be it.

The Little Englanders have made it clear this should be every man for himself and devil take the hindmost - so I fully expect the government of Scotland to now negotiate in Scotland's best interests even if that is detrimental to the desires of some in England/Wales.

TrickyTree83

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

A clear majority of Scots want to stay in the EU.

As Scottish independence may be the only way to achieve that then the time to resolve the Indy question is now.

If that leaves May and/or the Brexit negotiations in an uncomfortable position then so be it.

The Little Englanders have made it clear this should be every man for himself and devil take the hindmost - so I fully expect the government of Scotland to now negotiate in Scotland's best interests even if that is detrimental to the desires of some in England/Wales.

What, no input on the risking of 64% of trade over 11% of trade and the jobs those numbers support?

Come on. You all bluff and bluster about anything and everything else except the trade numbers. If an expert claims that 80,000 jobs are on the line if you leave the EU (@ 11%), and many more would be on the line if you left the UK (@ 64%) which will you choose? Which will the general populace choose?

kabayiri

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

A clear majority of Scots want to stay in the EU.
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So do Londoners, and they will have to abide by Brexit.

They also had better turnout figures than Scotland.

Not hard. Many places in the UK had people who cared enough to vote. Too many in Scotland were apathetic when it came to voting.

If you care you vote, it's simple really.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

which will you choose?

I'll choose the EU.

Which will the general populace choose?

No idea.

Lets give them a referendum and find out.

TrickyTree83

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

I'll choose the EU.



No idea.

Lets give them a referendum and find out.

So as Shake would put it, you airily wave away the livelihoods of masses of Scots for a political ideal.

I think that goes to show how ridiculous your position is of favouring the single market over the union.

If the numbers made sense I'd agree with you, if it looked like Scotland would be better off within the single market than the union, I'd agree. But it doesn't, it's so obvious. If you put this vote to toddlers in a playgroup they'd know which one makes more sense.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

kabayiri wrote: »

So do Londoners, and they will have to abide by Brexit..

Scotland has an opportunity to determine and then act on the democratic will of the Scottish people that London does not.

So whilst I feel sorry for Londoners being railroaded into a detrimental course of action not of their own making - I'm not going to let that prevent me taking full advantage of Scotland's opportunity to save itself should such an opportunity arise.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

So as Shake would put it, you airily wave away the livelihoods of masses of Scots for a political ideal.

I think that goes to show how ridiculous your position is of favouring the single market over the union.

If the numbers made sense I'd agree with you, if it looked like Scotland would be better off within the single market than the union, I'd agree. But it doesn't, it's so obvious. If you put this vote to toddlers in a playgroup they'd know which one makes more sense.

Then you shouldn't fear another Scottish referendum.

Put it to the people and let them decide.

If it's so obviously in their best interests then surely they'll vote to stay, right?

I mean - you can't really be telling me that a population would vote for such abstract concepts as 'sovereignty' and 'control' even when all the experts noted there would be significant short term economic pain...

I can't think of any population daft enough to... Oh... Wait...

Nevermind.

TrickyTree83

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Then you shouldn't fear another Scottish referendum.

Put it to the people and let them decide.

If it's so obviously in their best interests then surely they'll vote to stay, right?

I mean - you can't really be telling me that a population would vote for such abstract concepts as 'sovereignty' and 'control' even when all the experts noted there would be significant short term economic pain...

I can't think of any population daft enough to... Oh... Wait...

Nevermind.

Not an argument. Tell us why you will risk 64% of Scottish trade and all the jobs and tax that entails rather than risk 11% of Scottish trade with the EU.

Educate me.

Don't forget to explain how you will replace the trade and jobs too.