The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

kabayiri

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

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I mean - you can't really be telling me that a population would vote for such abstract concepts as 'sovereignty' and 'control' even when all the experts noted there would be significant short term economic pain...
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Like with any exam, it pays to read the question in front of you.

If it says "UK" on the ballot paper, it means "UK".

Perhaps it should have said "bits of the UK who can be bothered to vote in numbers".

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Not an argument. .

Oh, I rather suspect the Brexiteers would disagree with you...

Seemed to work well enough for them.

As for me I'll just embrace this brave new world and vote for sovereignty and control rather than short term economic well being.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

kabayiri wrote: »

Like with any exam, it pays to read the question in front of you.

If it says "UK" on the ballot paper, it means "UK".

Good to know.

So when Scotland holds a referendum and answers 'Yes' to the question 'Should Scotland Leave the UK' then what the UK chooses to do will be of no further relevance to us.

elantan

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Will you, Shake and Leanne be writing and singing a song to the rest of Scotland when you put half a million Scottish jobs on the line?

I take it you liked the video then ?

elantan

kabayiri wrote: »

So do Londoners, and they will have to abide by Brexit.

They also had better turnout figures than Scotland.

Not hard. Many places in the UK had people who cared enough to vote. Too many in Scotland were apathetic when it came to voting.

If you care you vote, it's simple really.

When did London become a country ?

kabayiri

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Good to know.

So when Scotland holds a referendum and answers 'Yes' to the question 'Should Scotland Leave the UK' then what the UK chooses to do will be of no further relevance to us.

Personally for me, yes. I've no problem with it.

Scots are obviously more interested in leaving the UK than leaving the EU.

The turnout figures for each referendum clearly show this. 84% turnout vs just 67%.

Or could it be referendum fatigue? . At a rate of decline of 17% per referendum, you will be lucky in getting 1 in 2 showing up next time.

TrickyTree83

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Oh, I rather suspect the Brexiteers would disagree with you...

Seemed to work well enough for them.

As for me I'll just embrace this brave new world and vote for sovereignty and control rather than short term economic well being.

So why aren't you happy with brexit then?

If what you claim brexit to be is sacrificing short term economic wellbeing how can you at the same time advocate doing the same, but an order of magnitude worse to Scotland.

You cannot be against brexit for those reasons and pro independence for the very same reasons. Which is why I said it's not an argument.

Come on Hamish. If you're happy to screw Scotland why aren't you happy to screw Scotland significantly less and remain in the union?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

If what you claim brexit to be is sacrificing short term economic wellbeing how can you at the same time advocate doing the same, but an order of magnitude worse to Scotland.

As I said it's a Brave New World....

Good is bad and down is up.

Sovereignty matters more than prosperity.

Post-truth politics rule the day and if you can't beat them, join them.

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

So why aren't you happy with brexit then?

Because I'm a Unionist.

I believe Scotland would be better off in the UK which would be better off in the EU.

But if you make me choose one union or the other I'll choose remaining part of the Worlds 2nd largest economy over the worlds [STRIKE]5th largest[/STRIKE] 6th largest economy.... Which without Scotland would be in danger of further relegation down to 7th largest economy.

TrickyTree83

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Because I'm a Unionist.

I believe Scotland would be better off in the UK which would be better off in the EU.

But if you make me choose one union or the other I'll choose remaining part of the Worlds 2nd largest economy over the worlds [STRIKE]5th largest[/STRIKE] 6th largest economy.... Which without Scotland would be in danger of further relegation down to 7th largest economy.

You've still not answered why you would risk 64% of trade / half a million Scottish jobs by leaving the Union and joining the EU instead of sticking with the union and only risking 11% of Scottish trade and 80,000 jobs.

As a unionist I would think your choice was simple. So there must be something you're not telling everyone as to why you see the single market and the EU as trumping your belief in the union and making it worthwhile to take 6 times as much risk as sticking with the union you claim to support.

Your position is at odds with the views you claim to have, they don't reconcile.

Edit: how about just filling in the rest of the below sentences.

Risking 64% of Scottish trade and the associated jobs is the best option because...

Risking 11% of Scottish trade and the associated jobs is the worst option because...

mrginge

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

But if you make me choose one union or the other I'll choose remaining part of the Worlds 2nd largest economy over the worlds [STRIKE]5th largest[/STRIKE] 6th largest economy.... Which without Scotland would be in danger of further relegation down to 7th largest economy.

That won't be the choice on offer.