The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

TrickyTree83

And for those on this thread who were and are slamming the stance taken by the UK government on immigration, taking some bizarre moral high ground I give you:

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/sturgeon-warns-europeans-could-lose-right-to-stay-1-3475453

It seems your favourite Scottish lady has a far stronger tone than that of the people you claim mirror Mein Kampf. Short memories? What to make of that?

TrickyTree83

There's also a lot of anger at the hashtag #WeAreScotland which is trending on twitter. It seems the duplicitous nature of the nationalism behind the hashtag is being called out.

MSP's using it claiming Scotland is a diverse and welcoming nation, others pointing out that EU students and Scottish students study in Scotland for free but English students don't. Perhaps it'd be better under #irony.

elantan

Ach still game is back oan the telly


A wee chance take forget the tory conference and the poison it spewed maybe ?

Have a guid Friday night people

elantan

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

There's also a lot of anger at the hashtag #WeAreScotland which is trending on twitter. It seems the duplicitous nature of the nationalism behind the hashtag is being called out.

MSP's using it claiming Scotland is a diverse and welcoming nation, others pointing out that EU students and Scottish students study in Scotland for free but English students don't. Perhaps it'd be better under #irony.

There's a lot of love for the hash tag as well .people welcoming people.from other countries ..... it even tended for a wee while


But by all means keep to yer bile and hatred up .
Show the world were your opinions lie .... it's what yer used tae after all ...

TrickyTree83

elantan wrote: »

There's a lot of love for the hash tag as well .people welcoming people.from other countries ..... it even tended for a wee while


But by all means keep to yer bile and hatred up .
Show the world were your opinions lie .... it's what yer used tae after all ...

Just pointing out that the nationalist vibe isn't all sunshine and rainbows as you'd like to portray.

It's not my bile and hatred, and bile and hatred, it's really quite debatable whether that actually exists or if it's just convenient to over-react to score points.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I'm not conflating anything.

You've just conceded what I've been after.

Holyrood can hold as many referenda as you like, unless it's sanctioned by Westminster or recognised by Westminster - nothing happens, ever.

Edit: See Crimea for what happens when territory secedes due to illegal referenda. If you follow my other posts you'll know I follow Ukrainian politics and current affairs also.

Scotland will not be able to seize UK assets as their own or break away from the UK without sitting down to negotiate. If the UK is un-willing to negotiate until a legal referendum is held, an advisory sanctioned only by Holyrood won't cut the mustard. If the Electoral Commission isn't involved there's no telling if the ballot boxes are stuffed, miscounted, etc... if you're going to do it then it should be done properly so it's not open to challenge.

As long as the referendum is seen as being free and fair by international observers ( of which loads will be invited ) then that's all that matters. The usual channels will be used as per Scottish elections for counting etc. Scotland isn't some sort of third world dictatorship or corrupt country that is prone to stuffing envelopes.

You're barking at the moon a bit by insinuating that Scotland cannot hold free and fair elections nor referendums without Westminster oversight. And while I get what you're saying about Westminster not recognising the result. You've still to think that through to it's ultimate conclusion. Which is what would the point be in not recognising it ? What could Westminster possibly achieve by ignoring it if a majority of Scots residents no longer want to be governed via Westminster.

If a free and fair Scottish referendum is not deemed to be good enough. Then neither by your own measure is the Brexit one since it's not legally binding either.

Holyrood will legislate for a second referendum and will ask Westminster for permission via another article 30 for the same conditions as the last one, which will most likely be refused. So they'll call it advisory and hold it anyway via the same electoral channels, checks and balances Holyrood/council and other electoral processes which usually take place in Scotland only. International oversight will be invited and welcomed.

Westminster can deal with the result after that I suppose. No assets = No debt/deficit for Scotland. Westminster's call.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Just pointing out that the nationalist vibe isn't all sunshine and rainbows as you'd like to portray.

It's not my bile and hatred, and bile and hatred, it's really quite debatable whether that actually exists or if it's just convenient to over-react to score points.

Has been trending all day on twitter. Little anger I saw about it, most loved it.

#WeAreScotland: 15 tweets which prove the rest of the world could learn a lot from the Scottish

The people of Scotland are taking to Twitter and proving again how welcoming a country it can be by shutting down xenophobia and telling the world via social media that everyone is welcome.

In a world where tensions between differing cultures are such a prevalent problem, the hashtag #WeAreScotland has started to trend and aims to spread a positive message that, as far as many of the people of Scotland are concerned, humans are humans and are welcome in the country no matter where they are from.

The tweets appear to have been inspired by Nicola Sturgeon’s reaction to a speech given by Theresa May at the Conservative Party conference in which she outlined plans to force businesses to declare the number of foreign workers they employ...

..Social media is often home to depressing levels of hatred, racism and other discriminations and forms of nastiness so here are a selection of the refreshing tweets being shared by the Scots:

http://metro.co.uk/2016/10/07/wearescotland-15-tweets-which-prove-the-rest-of-the-world-could-learn-a-lot-from-the-scottish-6177725/

If England wants free tuition fees. Time to start voting for parties that are offering it or else upsticks and move to Scotland for a while since it's mostly based on residency rules and an EU law anomaly stating students pay the same as they do in their home country. Students otherwise are simply entitled to the same treatment as their country of origin. Free tuition fees in Germany - free tuition fees Scotland. Free tuition fees in Austria - free tuition fees in Scotland. £9000 tuition fees in England - £9000 tuition fees in Scotland.

Ps elentan. Still Game, still fab ! That's plenty.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

the nationalist vibe .

I dislike nationalism.

As Einstein said, it is the measles of mankind.

I am a Unionist through and though... I believe Scotland will be better off in the UK which will be better off in the EU.

But if forced to choose one of the two Unions I'll likely pick Europe.

I am fully aware of the intense short term pain this may cause - and I don't care - our interests over the long term are better served in Europe than in a diminished UK out of Europe.

skintmacflint

Shakethedisease wrote: »

What could Westminster possibly achieve by ignoring it if a majority of Scots residents no longer want to be governed via Westminster.

If a free and fair Scottish referendum is not deemed to be good enough. Then neither by your own measure is the Brexit one since it's not legally binding either.
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At present the UK government is focused on negotiating and planning for Brexit, first and foremost for the benefit of the entire UK. It has its own clear priorities and objectives to work through. SNP having a temper tantrum just isn't one of them at present. Nor I think any major EU countries priority either.

With regard to your Independence Referendum and Brexit comparison , the difference is very probably facts and law. The problem with the mindset of many social justice warriors seems to be they think their feelings and opinions are the only thing which matter and should over rule facts and the law. They don't.

skintmacflint

Shakethedisease wrote: »

. There's a high likelyhood most Scots MP's wouldn't even be turning up to Westminster anymore anyway following such a vote.

Not sure they would be missed, for all the difference SNP have made at Westminster. Other than costs of course. Next election we can just vote for MP's who will.

Our responsible as never longstanding SNP MP Pete Wishart tweeted today ' the Blairites are now like your embarrassing incontinent relative, stuck away in a care home , who you might go and visit occasionally'.

Charming as ever. Tweet now deleted.