The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Shakethedisease wrote: »

What currency will they use ?
Eh? Your own quote explains THAT clearly enough.


No but a Scottish Govt does should the rest of Scotland votes leave the UK. The rest above is just laughable nonsense headlines for 5 minutes spiel. I read it yesterday. Filed in the :rotfl: cabinet.

Ah, and yet you believe that the UK cannot leave the EU when the rest of the UK has voted to leave?

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

so if UK parliament says no to another Iscotland referendum you will be just sucking it up like everyone else.

The UK parliament kept a lot of powers reserved to Westminster when it devolved powers to Holyrood as well as NI and Wales. Unfortunately, the right to hold a referendum wasn't one of them.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

The UK parliament kept a lot of powers reserved to Westminster when it devolved powers to Holyrood as well as NI and Wales. Unfortunately, the right to hold a referendum wasn't one of them.

the right to allow scotland to leave the UK can only be decided by the UK parliament.

anyway your disregard for the democratic process is pathetic in the 21st : forget your 1000 years of hatred for the english and move on.

Shakethedisease

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Ah, and yet you believe that the UK cannot leave the EU when the rest of the UK has voted to leave?

The UK can indeed leave the EU when a majority of people have expressed a wish to leave. But should Scotland leave the UK then that's a completely different set of circumstances for Scotland the rest of the UK and the EU. The rest of the UK is still free to leave, Scotland won't be disputing that at all.

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

the right to allow scotland to leave the UK can only be decided by the UK parliament.

No it's up to those that reside in Scotland. That's for them to decide.

anyway your disregard for the democratic process is pathetic in the 21st : forget your 1000 years of hatred for the english and move on.

We truly are at full circle now.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Shakethedisease wrote: »

The UK can indeed leave the EU when a majority of people have expressed a wish to leave. But should Scotland leave the UK then that's a completely different set of circumstances for Scotland the rest of the UK and the EU. The rest of the UK is still free to leave, Scotland won't be disputing that at all.

So using your argument, Dumfries & Galloway can remain part of the UK if Scotland decides it wants to leave, then?
Assuming the majority of people express a wish to remain?
Because (again using your own argument) I'm sure the people of Dumfries & Galloway will not dispute that other parts of Scotland may be entitled to leave - just not them, as they did not vote for it.

Leanne1812

Reading these last couple of pages is like being in a time warp. Transported back to 2014 and minute details of unlikely complications being pored over. For goodness sake Dumfries & Galloway is in Scotland. As such whatever is decided it will go along with Scotland's destiny.

[how can Scotland then propose independence against the will of parts of Scotland?]

Parts of the U.K. voted to remain in the EU yet London will leave along with the rest of Englnd & Wales. The majority vote won just as No won in 2014. If it seems Scotland has a way to remain through a 2nd indyref and there's an appetite for that then it will happen. I bet London wishes it had this option too.

You can go round in circles all day long with what will happen but the truth is this situation is unprecedented. You have no more authority than anyone else to debate or interpret or voice an opinion. When people don't share your view it does not make them wrong.

The SNP have not organised this rally so for those tarring them take note. I'm not attending either. I never have. Some people like to be seen to support independence that way but not me. I've no gripe with them, they're passionate and it's a feel good day out. Yessers are a pretty diverse group no matter how we are generalised as freedom screaming flag waving lunatics.

I did enjoy public meetings during the last campaign but mostly friendly chat on the doorstep will be how a 2nd campaign will be won. Yes was streets ahead in that department last time round. We did not need to transport union supporters from the rest of the U.K. or pay some to campaign.With polls so close there's not a huge gap to bridge next time. It's very likely Yes will win IF we have another ref.

Leanne1812

Well, I've just read a comment from Jock on DT ( Sturgeon blocks brexit nonsense thread ) which calls pro Indy posters loons. I'm assuming he's talking of the pro Indy posters on this thread. Am I wrong Jock?

LABMAN

Joanna Cherry on Question Time...REALLY? Ha Ha Ha

Shakethedisease

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

So using your argument, Dumfries & Galloway can remain part of the UK if Scotland decides it wants to leave, then?
Assuming the majority of people express a wish to remain?
Because (again using your own argument) I'm sure the people of Dumfries & Galloway will not dispute that other parts of Scotland may be entitled to leave - just not them, as they did not vote for it.

Look even I can see the huge big glaring flaw in what Dumfries and Galloway are trying to achieve. And using your argument, and theirs.. should Westminster give the right for Dumfries and Galloway to remain in the UK, then by doing so, they're also giving other areas of Scotland the right to leave the UK by the same means. Outwith a referendum context.

Not a good idea if followed to conclusion. Glasgow, Dundee most of Edinburgh and the West of Scotland would 'choose to leave the UK' using exactly the same legislation as Dumfries and Galloway would use to stay in the UK. The councillors suggesting this are buffoons of the first order, because they don't seem to have realised yet.

Sure give them the right to stay in the UK. But only if other areas of Scotland get the right to leave despite the overall referendum result Scotland wide. See the teensy problem there ?