The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

tracey3596

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Some people enjoy the day out. There will be plenty of people there. But there is no way to equate a gathering in Glasgow with the entirety of Scotland's future voting intentions.

You didn't answer the question.
No one said a gathering equated to the entirety of Scotland, either.

Shakethedisease

tracey3596 wrote: »

No, you've not answered as far as I can see .
In fact it even looks like you didn't read the link - or did you just choose to ignore it?

I did. Twice. Dumfries and Galloway joined the union as part of Scotland. It will leave as part of Scotland also. Those that don't wish this to be the case will have the opportunity to express those wishes both via their MP's/MSP's and at the ballot box. End of story.

Dumfries and Galloway didn't join the Union as a country in 1707. Therefore they don't get a say as a whole country either. Only as part of one the same as all other areas in Scotland do.

Shakethedisease

tracey3596 wrote: »

You didn't answer the question.
No one said a gathering equated to the entirety of Scotland, either.

Enjoy counting heads at rallies if it makes you feel better. The SNP has nothing to do with the organisation of any of these. Is down to members of the public amongst themselves via social media. Hence none of them should be equated with any degree of SNP support. That only happens at the ballot box.

Other than that there's no huge burning question to be answered. Some people like arranging and attending rallies. Good for them.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I did. Twice. Dumfries and Galloway joined the union as part of Scotland. It will leave as part of Scotland also. Those that don't wish this to be the case will have the opportunity to express those wishes both via their MP's/MSP's and at the ballot box. End of story.

Dumfries and Galloway didn't join the Union as a country in 1707. Therefore they don't get a say as a whole country either. Only as part of one the same as all other areas in Scotland do.

No you have not.
Stop prevaricating.

how can Scotland then propose independence against the will of parts of Scotland?

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I did. Twice. Dumfries and Galloway joined the union as part of Scotland. It will leave as part of Scotland also. Those that don't wish this to be the case will have the opportunity to express those wishes both via their MP's/MSP's and at the ballot box. End of story.

Dumfries and Galloway didn't join the Union as a country in 1707. Therefore they don't get a say as a whole country either. Only as part of one the same as all other areas in Scotland do.

what a disgrace to the mores of the 21st century.

the legitimacy of sovereign statehood comes from the democractic wishes of the people and not some nonsense about what happened 300 year ago.

let's remember that scotland can only become independent if the UK parliament permits it :
what's your argument is they said no.

Shakethedisease

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

As usual you have answered absolutely nothing.
My link clearly states the position of the council and the law but - again as usual - you refuse to pay any heed to that.

What currency will they use ?

Councillor Peter Diggle said: “This is not designed to take Dumfries and Galloway out of Scotland, nor to make Dumfries and Galloway an independent state. “It is, however, designed to give people the democratic right to decide whether or not Dumfries and Galloway should remain part of the United Kingdom or leave, should another independence referendum be held.


The SNP Government does not have a mandate to take Dumfries and Galloway out of the United Kingdom against its will.

No but a Scottish Govt does should the rest of Scotland vote to leave the UK. The rest above is just laughable nonsense headlines for 5 minutes spiel. I read it yesterday. Filed in the :rotfl: cabinet.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Some people enjoy the day out. There will be plenty of people there. But there is no way to equate a gathering in Glasgow with the entirety of Scotland's future voting intentions.

Yet more distraction and diversion without answering the question.
Note that there is no mention or indeed even hint of "the entirety of Scotland's future voting intentions." in the below:

You believe that the lack of support is a basis for the SNP to seek another independence vote then?
Or do you simply believe that support is not shown by holding such rallies?

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

what a disgrace to the mores of the 21st century.

the legitimacy of sovereign statehood comes from the democractic wishes of the people and not some nonsense about what happened 300 year ago.

let's remember that scotland can only become independent if the UK parliament permits it :
what's your argument is they said no.

That's the way representative democracy works in the UK Clapton. You and the people of Dumfries and Galloway will just have to suck it up like everyone else has to.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

That's the way representative democracy works in the UK Clapton. You and the people of Dumfries and Galloway will just have to suck it up like everyone else has to.

so if UK parliament says no to another Iscotland referendum you will be just sucking it up like everyone else.

Shakethedisease

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Yet more distraction and diversion without answering the question.
Note that there is no mention or indeed even hint of "the entirety of Scotland's future voting intentions." in the below:

I'm not sure of the point you're trying to make. No I don't believe that attendance at these rallies is representative. And no I don't believe that the vast majority of those that support independence go to them. Some of us prefer our warm living rooms and a keyboard.

The SNP do not organise them. They are spontaneous things arranged via social media. The only true measure of support for any party policy or a set of policies, independence among them or not.. is via the ballot box. However, for some these rallies are a good day out.