The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

TrickyTree83

islandannie wrote: »

I am really happy that you are so pleased to trust the Scottish government.

Just one little explanation of how they are going to solve the £14.8 billion deficit and I will be right on board to vote for independence.

C`MON you seps give us yoons one cogent reason why we will be better off with independence and we will join you by the hundreds of thousands.

Convince me that i am going to be be better of under indypendence and you will get my vote.

Can't and therefore won't.

Just says "I did my research, I have my reasons". I suspect that supposed 'research' goes as far as a certain movie.

elantan

AnotherJoe wrote: »

If you only give one reason "because we control all the levers" what else should I take you to mean? You didn't say "because we control all the levers and X,Y, Z".

I'd be putting words in your mouth if I made up what the other reasons were or even if there were any.

What are they then as you presumably have some? Or am i putting words in your mouth?

There are many many reasons I want independence , control of levers is just one

But as I have said already, all I need to do is vote Yes I am not interested in convincing anyone else how to vote

elantan

I like the novel idea of everytime a country votes it gets the actual government it votes for, I know wild and crazy eh

elantan

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Can't and therefore won't.

Just says "I did my research, I have my reasons". I suspect that supposed 'research' goes as far as a certain movie.

Oh what movie ? Is it any good? Have I maybe seen it ? Go on tell us what film has got such amazing research about an independent Scotland ... pleeeeeaaaaasssssseeeee

TrickyTree83

elantan wrote: »

Now you are just being an ar**

I'm not being an ar**.

If I'm wrong, show everyone I'm wrong.

I'll happily admit that I was wrong about you being unable to give the reasons why Scotland would be better off/richer outside of the Union rather than cop out as you did previously. But at the moment what I've said is completely correct.

The more I go around in circles on the economics of it the more I get the impression that if you're a Scottish nationalist the economics don't matter.

It doesn't matter to any of you* that you'll be making many more jobless than Brexit will.

It doesn't matter to any of you* that you'll be voting to reduce public spending under the guise of increasing it.

It doesn't matter to any of you* that you'll be pushing business located in Scotland that does the vast, vast majority of their trade with the rUK, south of the border.

It doesn't matter to any of you* that the EU will be in control of your trade arrangements with the rUK, your most important market by.. so much I don't have an adjective for it. You won't be able to forge your own way in the world. You won't have those levers.

And as I've said previously this is just on the issue of the proportions of trade, i.e. who is most important to your economy. It seems like either none of you have thought about this, or you simply don't care.

* - Scottish nationalists

TrickyTree83

elantan wrote: »

But as I have said already, all I need to do is vote Yes I am not interested in convincing anyone else how to vote

You implore others to convince you otherwise and then ignore what we say.

Which would you choose?

Risk 64% of trade.

Or

Risk 11% of trade.

Tromking

Latest poll has 54% vs 46% against independence.
Only 37% Scots want an indyref before Brexit and Ruth has a higher approval rating than Nicola.
I think the time has passed.

TrickyTree83

Tromking wrote: »

Latest poll has 54% vs 46% against independence.
Only 37% Scots want an indyref before Brexit and Ruth has a higher approval rating than Nicola.
I think the time has passed.

It's not been the time since 2014.

Stay in the UK and risk 11% of EU trade.

Leave the UK and join the EU and risk 64% of trade.

The options available that facilitate independence don't stack up. If Scotland were able to not risk 64% of its trade whilst becoming independent (i.e. not joining the EU) then the circumstances change. But after the Brexit vote, where "Scotland voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU", Nicola's stated aim is to remain in it and achieve independence as a consequence of that.

Hilariously flawed.

Edit: Perhaps the PM is aware of this flaw which is why she's gunning for full fat brexit, knowing it would be economic suicide for Scotland to leave the Union that the PM is so eager to protect.

Conrad

Nicola knows the high water mark for SNP popularity has passed, and the Tories are quietly gaining ground. She's running out of time and knows this is her last chance to call the referendum. She will lose, even her voice on BBC right now seems bereft of its usual confidence.

Conrad

Hamish, I was all for Scotland going independent last time, but given the vote last time and the Ruth Davidson effect, I would like Scotland to stay. Just sayin