The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

ruggedtoast

Blairite Fifth Columnist - Kezia Dugdale, has just denounced Corbyn in favour of corporate turncoat and neoliberal agitator, Owen Smith.

Why Kezia? Why would you endorse the candidate least likely to appeal to Scottish people in favour of one they quite like, thereby making Scottish Labour less electable and thereby increasing the chances of independence.

Does Kezia... not want the UK to stay together?:

:-0

Tromking

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Blairite Fifth Columnist - Kezia Dugdale, has just denounced Corbyn in favour of corporate turncoat and neoliberal agitator, Owen Smith.

Why Kezia? Why would you endorse the candidate least likely to appeal to Scottish people in favour of one they quite like, thereby making Scottish Labour less electable and thereby increasing the chances of independence.

Does Kezia... not want the UK to stay together?:

:-0

Move on.
Scotland is lost to any Labour leader, they get their 'progressive' kicks via the SNP now. Expect a two horse race between them and the Unionist Tories in the future.

[Deleted User]

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Blairite Fifth Columnist - Kezia Dugdale, has just denounced Corbyn in favour of corporate turncoat and neoliberal agitator, Owen Smith.

Why Kezia? Why would you endorse the candidate least likely to appeal to Scottish people in favour of one they quite like, thereby making Scottish Labour less electable and thereby increasing the chances of independence.

Does Kezia... not want the UK to stay together?:

:-0

Questions? From you? Nice one! :rotfl: you have the nerve to ask questions :T !

Ah, that kinder politics again - "Blairite Fifth Columnist", "corporate turncoat and neoliberal agitator" :rotfl:. I'll say one thing, you are consistent - consistent in abusing those you see as disloyal, yet oddly impressed by Corbyn when he was disloyal to the party - what was it again? A couple of hundred times?

Question - why, oh why, oh why can't everyone just do as they are told and support Corbyn?

Answer - because they don't all think he did a good job in the past, is doing a good job now, or seems capable of doing a good job in future. That clear enough?

You seem to be interested only in creating some kind of Dear Leader cult where anyone who disputes his right to rule is some kind of heretic!

WR

Shakethedisease

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Blairite Fifth Columnist - Kezia Dugdale, has just denounced Corbyn in favour of corporate turncoat and neoliberal agitator, Owen Smith.

Why Kezia? Why would you endorse the candidate least likely to appeal to Scottish people in favour of one they quite like, thereby making Scottish Labour less electable and thereby increasing the chances of independence.

Does Kezia... not want the UK to stay together?:

:-0

Unfortunately it looks like Corbyn too is about to make a bit of a blunder on his upcoming visit to Scotland this week.

It has been reported that during his visit to Scotland this week Jeremy Corbyn will rule out a progressive alliance type deal with the SNP. The story, published in The Herald, is just a report so let’s try and head it off with a call for some sanity.

http://labourlist.org/2016/08/neal-lawson-corbyn-is-wrong-we-must-not-rule-out-a-deal-with-the-snp/

He relies too much on Scottish colleagues like Neil Findlay for the Scottish 'angle' I think. Real old school Labour, but cannot countenance the idea of working with the SNP on any level. And have never forgiven the SNP for parking tanks on their lawn.

The term “building a cage for your own victory” was invented for this scenario. Yes Jeremy might play to the tribal Labour gallery and win by a bigger margin – but he will have made it so much more difficult to defeat the Tories and usher in the new politics we so desperately need. Of course talk up Labour in Scotland – just don’t shoot yourself in the foot at the same time.

It would be as sectarian as it is stupid. Jeremy should keep his options open and show himself to be a real political leader. This time last year he was saying the exact opposite when he said a deal with the SNP was possible. The party and the country needs to go forwards, not backwards.

As someone noted on Twitter today, it might not be so much Corbyn that kills off 2020 elections hopes, but tribalism within Labour. Let's hope it's just another Herald fact free episode, because in the main, SNP voters such as myself quite like Corbyn. Certainly a lot of ex-Labour voters who moved to the SNP in recent years do. And we certainly understand the daily media battering he takes.

Corbyn was the biggest threat to the SNP in years. But he's blown it by coming out with far too much of Findlay's tribalism on ( rare ) visits so far up here. Kezia isn't even bothering to meet him. I hope Corbyn isn't going to publically slam the door on the SNP completely a full 4 years before the next election ? Not that the SNP have said much, but it does tend to negate any goodwill ordinary people like me have towards him.

His national numbers are, YouGov notes ‘boosted by the fact that more SNP voters (31 per cent) think he is doing well than Labour voters.’ Behind Corbyn, Kezia Dugdale has a net approval rating of -15.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Why Kezia? Why would you endorse the candidate least likely to appeal to Scottish people in favour of one they quite like, thereby making Scottish Labour less electable

Corbyn was already in charge of the Labour party for the recent 2016 Scottish Parliament elections.

And Corbyn, as the 'leader the Scottish people quite like', presided over an absolute kicking for Labour....

Labour vote down 22%, seats down by a third, and overtaken by the Tories who became the official opposition in Scotland.

Let me just say that again..... - The Tories became the official opposition in Scotland under Corbyn's leadership.

Although I suspect that's nothing compared to the electoral wipeout Labour in England faces under Corbyn's leadership.

Where Labour is on track to lose so many seats the official opposition as second largest party in the UK Parliament might even fall to the SNP....:rotfl:

ruggedtoast

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Corbyn was already in charge of the Labour party for the recent 2016 Scottish Parliament elections.

And Corbyn, as the 'leader the Scottish people quite like', presided over an absolute kicking for Labour....

Labour vote down 22%, seats down by a third, and overtaken by the Tories who became the official opposition in Scotland.

Let me just say that again..... - The Tories became the official opposition in Scotland under Corbyn's leadership.

Although I suspect that's nothing compared to the electoral wipeout Labour in England faces under Corbyn's leadership.

Where Labour is on track to lose so many seats the official opposition as second largest party in the UK Parliament might even fall to the SNP....:rotfl:

Your names going on the list.

Shakethedisease

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Corbyn was already in charge of the Labour party for the recent 2016 Scottish Parliament elections.

And Corbyn, as the 'leader the Scottish people quite like', presided over an absolute kicking for Labour....

Labour vote down 22%, seats down by a third, and overtaken by the Tories who became the official opposition in Scotland.

Let me just say that again..... - The Tories became the official opposition in Scotland under Corbyn's leadership.

Although I suspect that's nothing compared to the electoral wipeout Labour in England faces under Corbyn's leadership.

Where Labour is on track to lose so many seats the official opposition as second largest party in the UK Parliament might even fall to the SNP....:rotfl:

I don't agree. I think it was Kezia, her uncosted all over the place tax raises, her sudden about turn on Trident from mere months before, her indecision over independence and her suddenly lefty credentials that no one, not even her believed for a second.

It was a Holyrood election after all. She tried to outflank the SNP on the left, and failed badly. Those that don't like Corbyn or tax rises and those that put the union above all else voted Tory or the candidate most likely to displace an SNP one. Other Labour voters just didn't turn out at all, especially in the West of Scotland where turnout was lower as a result.

Corbyn is only responsible for Westminster Labour policy making. In Holyrood that was down to Kezia and co and that's what people were voting on. I'm not sure she's going to last much longer. It's either that or both her and Khan know something we don't about the way the Labour leadership election is going !

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I don't agree. I think it was Kezia, her uncosted all over the place tax raises, her sudden about turn on Trident from mere months before, her indecision over independence and her suddenly lefty credentials that no one, not even her believed for a second.

It was a Holyrood election after all. She tried to outflank the SNP on the left, and failed badly. Those that don't like Corbyn or tax rises and those that put the union above all else voted Tory or the candidate most likely to displace an SNP one. Other Labour voters just didn't turn out at all, especially in the West of Scotland where turnout was lower as a result.

Corbyn is only responsible for Westminster Labour policy making. In Holyrood that was down to Kezia and co and that's what people were voting on. I'm not sure she's going to last much longer. It's either that or both her and Khan know something we don't about the way the Labour leadership election is going !

I agree with you

why isn't there 60-70 % in favour of iscotland?
do you think you need to get rid of that failure nicola: she should be winning now with so many things in her favour. If she can't win now then she never will : find an effective leader for iscotland

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

I agree with you

why isn't there 60-70 % in favour of iscotland?
do you think you need to get rid of that failure nicola: she should be winning now with so many things in her favour. If she can't win now then she never will : find an effective leader for iscotland

Why cite 60-70% in favour of an iScotland, when it only takes 50.1% to win ? That 60% in the polls thing is pure nonsense. And personally I think we're already there with the 50.1%.. just need a few Brexit moves first, and a cobbled together British Bill of Rights to be pushed through to seal the deal. It's silly season at the moment, the real work starts when politics does again. Let's see Theresa's real mettle on Brexit first shall we ? I think we're in for some serious can kicking down the road though, and if Brexit was such a fab idea, Article 50 would've been triggered already. The fact that there's talk of 'waiting until the German and French elections first' in 2017 tells us all we need to know. They've no actual idea what they're doing and hence are too scared to do anything.

Nicola should sit, wait and laugh when it all goes t**s up as it all inevitably will.

Shakethedisease

Nearly forgot GERS out on Wednesday. Batten down the hatches as Scots are told that Westminster has run their economy soooo incredibly badly... that we'd all be soooo much better off, just letting Westminster run Scotland's economy in the future too.

* unfollows Kevin Hague off Twitter feed for a few weeks and still not sure why the Scots Gov are releasing the figs so early. Unless they potentially have something pencilled in for 2017 and don't want GERS muddying the waters in the middle..