The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Spidernick

princeofpounds wrote: »

I have to say I will miss the slightly surreal title of the old thread.

With this one I'm thinking Douglas Adams and wondering whether the Scottish people are now being likened to dolphins!

(Sorry, if someone has mentioned this previously, but I haven't the will to read the whole thread!).

Shakethedisease

Rinoa wrote: »

All you need now is a solution to the £15Bn deficit. Oh, and somewhere to offfload the £40Bn of stuff you currently sell to us each year which will have tariffs imposed after we leave the EU.

Shouldn't be a problem.

You'll have far more in the way of tariffs to worry about than Scotland will.

Shakethedisease

Spidernick wrote: »

With this one I'm thinking Douglas Adams and wondering whether the Scottish people are now being likened to dolphins!

(Sorry, if someone has mentioned this previously, but I haven't the will to read the whole thread!).

I had to shoehorn Fish in there somewhere and that was the first phrase that popped into my head.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

You'll have far more in the way of tariffs to worry about than Scotland will.

but freedom, self determination and and democracy are worth it aren't they?

Tromking

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Scotland already has it's own completely separate education, NHS, policing, and legal systems. Soon it will have it's own tax and welfare systems too. Gradually, if there's no Brexit, the separation shock is being much lessened anyway should another referendum occur in the future. Boris Johnson is looking like the main catalyst for that at the moment but who knows.

As usual every possible scenario results in an iScotland.:)
No argument with the point that Scotland is taking control of its own affairs, but the age old fly in the ointment is that the English 'bung' makes it all possible. The result of a post-Brexit indyref is not as cut and dry as you suggest in my opinion. The SNP Hobson`s choice of almost certain penury today vs possible jam tomorrow will be the dominant factor again. A vote for an iScotland remains the enormous leap of faith its always been. If only Swinney hadn't battled so hard to keep the Barnett money.

Generali

Tromking wrote: »

As usual every possible scenario results in an iScotland.:)
No argument with the point that Scotland is taking control of its own affairs, but the age old fly in the ointment is that the English 'bung' makes it all possible. The result of a post-Brexit indyref is not as cut and dry as you suggest in my opinion. The SNP Hobson`s choice of almost certain penury today vs possible jam tomorrow will be the dominant factor again. A vote for an iScotland remains the enormous leap of faith its always been. If only Swinney hadn't battled so hard to keep the Barnett money.

As long as Barnett (other forms of regional subsidy are available) remains in place there will always be a huge question mark over an independent Scotland's finances.

GERS is pretty conclusive. The errors would have to be ma-hooo-ssive in order for an independent Scotland with anything like current levels of spending to be viable.

Shakethedisease

Tromking wrote: »

As usual every possible scenario results in an iScotland.:)
No argument with the point that Scotland is taking control of its own affairs, but the age old fly in the ointment is that the English 'bung' makes it all possible. The result of a post-Brexit indyref is not as cut and dry as you suggest in my opinion. The SNP Hobson`s choice of almost certain penury today vs possible jam tomorrow will be the dominant factor again. A vote for an iScotland remains the enormous leap of faith its always been. If only Swinney hadn't battled so hard to keep the Barnett money.

Swinney doesn't want to keep the Barnett money. No Barnett money means independence. While we're still part of the UK and Scotland is run on an outdated pocket money system, is a completely different matter. You need to separate the two because while Scottish taxpayer money goes to the UK Treasury. Barnett will be there in some form.

Half of Scotland don't want to keep Barnett money either. Despite 24/7 media bombardment (going on five years now) worth of 'reassurance' that Scotland will never survive without it. Only about 20% of the electorate now want to see Labour in power. And only another 20% now want to see the Conservatives in power anytime soon in Scotland. Both were wiped out, bar 1 MP in Westminster elections last year also.

On which planet do you see this ending up as a massive endorsement of Westminster ?

The economics are uncertain for sure, they always were. But people don't vote for spreadsheets. Any future referendum won't be so much of a leap in the dark as last time. If it's the result of a Brexit, then everyone in the UK will be taking leaps in the dark anyway.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

As long as Barnett (other forms of regional subsidy are available) remains in place there will always be a huge question mark over an independent Scotland's finances.

GERS is pretty conclusive. The errors would have to be ma-hooo-ssive in order for an independent Scotland with anything like current levels of spending to be viable.

Yes, I get what you're saying. But it's kind of white noise these days, on repeat. GERS isn't about independence, it's about Scotland within the union. If it's not looking good, then it's time to change who's in charge of it.

islandannie

Shakethedisease wrote: »

You'll have far more in the way of tariffs to worry about than Scotland will.

So one of the strongest economies in the world should be terrified about tariffs imposed by Scottish Gigantic economies like the Uists and Hebrides, well that should make England quake.

Grow up.
London controls the vast money markets to the extent we all should be grateful.

My Own Islands are extremely grateful for the standard of living afforded us by the London taxpayers.

Sad that you benefits scroungers can`t be grateful.

Shakethedisease

islandannie wrote: »

So one of the strongest economies in the world should be terrified about tariffs imposed by Scottish Gigantic economies like the Uists and Hebrides, well that should make England quake.

Grow up.
London controls the vast money markets to the extent we all should be grateful.

My Own Islands are extremely grateful for the standard of living afforded us by the London taxpayers.

Sad that you benefits scroungers can`t be grateful.

The EU Remain campaign would disagree with you over tariff's and a Brexit, and that's what I was referring to. Perhaps they should now take the line that the EU should be grateful for enormous London subsidies keeping the entire EU afloat ? Good luck with that. :money: