The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I'm not trawling through to pick them out for you. I pulled some of the comments out in quotes in an earlier post.

If I did put the time and effort into doing so, it's not likely to change anything is it. They won't be reprimanded by the group thinkers on that blog or by any on here. There will be sidestepping and deflection, like we've seen so far.

I'm shocked by it, I'm not confusing Westminster, UKOK or UKOKAY or EBC (see BBC), WM, WoS, or any other acronym or snide remark made by these people. I'm aware of the meaning just by reading the comments, which is also the reason I took issue with the comments that were directed at English people and the lack of reprimand from their compatriots.

Instead of attacking me, perhaps you need to reconcile who you share your views with. Because it is there, contrary to what is claimed on here. If I find a spare hour or two I'll get them for you but only to save going round in circles around your and others denials.

Don't be daft Tricky. We know that your argument only stands up if you admit as a Leave voter that your vote was driven by the fact you absolutely hate and are a bit racist towards European people. Just because they're European and live in neighbouring countries.

Scots who wish to leave the UK are in actual fact driven by exactly the same motivations as yourself. So either its because we're all vile anti-English/European... or else we simply feel that our countries political and economic systems would be best run by ourselves.

You can't have it both ways. Which is it to be ?

islandannie

Well,Well,Well. SNP Politician embarrasses himself, before quickly removing his Nutter tweet.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/694754/Hypocritical-SNP-MP-Paul-Monaghan-EU-Supreme-Court-Named-Person-Nicola-Sturgeon.

His criticism of the UK Supreme courts decision on the named persons act which was based on the EU human rights act leaves him in stupidity corner considering he is a strong proponent of leaving the UK but staying in the EU.

Do SNP MPS get any more stupid than him.

I sincerely hope not especially for the sake of my children.

Shakethedisease

mrginge wrote: »

This was apparently the position two weeks ago. Now we're down to - 'sturgeon will wait and see when the time is right'.
This level of back-pedalling is a real joy to watch.

It's still the same. Article 50 hasn't been triggered yet. Once it is, and two years down the line Scotland won't be mentioned in it.

For my own personal view, single market or not, there will be a referendum either way. Because it will come down to individual EU citizenship at the end, that and looking at Conservative govts for the forseeable future. If the Scottish Govt can't win a referendum concerning something on this magnitude, then they never will within the next 20/30 years and it will be time to accept it.

The Vow and Cameron's speech the morning after the first independence ref were both epic mistakes. Like the Eu referendum to shut up UKIP was too.

.string.

Leanne1812 wrote: »

Have you morphed into Mollycat string?

He/she seems to be trying to insinuate something and I'd like to understand what it is. If it is what I think it is I'd like to see something concrete to support that view.

No doubt mollycat is a very nice person, so I don't take that as any type of insult.

But I truly don't know what you are grumbling about. You posted something asking why people voted Yes and I simply posted a link to some statistics on that without comment.

What are you on about?

.string.

It's sad to read through the apologist remarks on anti English sentiments, even those most vile.

Also the use of "Westminster" has for a long time been used as a device to stir up division and suspicion of anything which is not controlled to the last detail in Scotland (by the SNP of course). Claiming that such a tactic does not originate and further antj-English sentiment is transparent nonsense and demeans those that claim it.

Leanne1812

mollycat wrote: »

Ignore me if you want; we both know why the majority of YES voters want independence and people throughout the UK know it.

I'm off for a pint!

String, this is what Mollycat posted and I'm interested to see what he/she believes the reason is. That's all.

Leanne1812

.string. wrote: »

It's sad to read through the apologist remarks on anti English sentiments, even those most vile.

Also the use of "Westminster" has for a long time been used as a device to stir up division and suspicion of anything which is not controlled to the last detail in Scotland (by the SNP of course). Claiming that such a tactic does not originate and further antj-English sentiment is transparent nonsense and demeans those that claim it.

If I see it then I will call it out. I've already stated that I condemn it from BOTH sides.

If you see anti-Westminster the same way you see anti-English then we'll have to disagree on that one.

wotsthat

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Don't be daft Tricky. We know that your argument only stands up if you admit as a Leave voter that your vote was driven by the fact you absolutely hate and are a bit racist towards European people. Just because they're European and live in neighbouring countries.

Scots who wish to leave the UK are in actual fact driven by exactly the same motivations as yourself. So either its because we're all vile anti-English/European... or else we simply feel that our countries political and economic systems would be best run by ourselves.

You can't have it both ways. Which is it to be ?

All nationalism relies on finding differences between people whether real or imagined. The leave campaign used this to good effect and only the simple minded can't see through the anti 'Westminster' rhetoric of the SNP.

The EU vote is a complete red herring. The SNP couldn't give a fig about the EU - they're just glad Scotland voted in a different way to the rest of the UK.

Leanne1812

wotsthat wrote: »

All nationalism relies on finding differences between people whether real or imagined. The leave campaign used this to good effect and only the simple minded can't see through the anti 'Westminster' rhetoric of the SNP.

The EU vote is a complete red herring. The SNP couldn't give a fig about the EU - they're just glad Scotland voted in a different way to the rest of the UK.

If countries are shown to have different political ideals and voting preferences which are very apparent then yes, I agree with you. To want a country to have a government suited to its ideals with full autonomy and which the majority wish must make me simple minded then........

A complete red herring in your opinion of course. Any evidence to back that up?

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Don't be daft Tricky. We know that your argument only stands up if you admit as a Leave voter that your vote was driven by the fact you absolutely hate and are a bit racist towards European people. Just because they're European and live in neighbouring countries.

Scots who wish to leave the UK are in actual fact driven by exactly the same motivations as yourself. So either its because we're all vile anti-English/European... or else we simply feel that our countries political and economic systems would be best run by ourselves.

You can't have it both ways. Which is it to be ?

What a ridiculous thing to say.

My wife is Ukrainian, because of that I've many friends of eastern European origin. I'd like to retain the freedom of movement too. But you now say that anti English Scottish nationalists only exist if I tell everyone I'm a racist?

That's one of the best yet.

In fact what I was pointing out was that contrary to your belief that it can't be both ways, Scottish nationalism does have an ugly underbelly that the moderates appear to tolerate. And on that note I may have voted to leave but I hope all the hate crime and inciting is prosecuted.