The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Herzlos

Moe_The_Bartender wrote: »

If you are so confident of that, presumably you will have no trouble supporting your suspicions with some links to back it up. But I suspect that, as usual, you will disappear when you are challenged.

You might also want to look up how many public sector jobs for the likes of the inland revenue exist in Scotland. What do you suppose would happen to them in the event of independence?

You'll note I said suspect, I dont have time to pour through it to figure it out, and I expect it'll be well hidden by better accountants than me. Can you offer a better hypothesis?

Thrugelmir

Posted by Herzlos View Post

I suspect it's because we actually provide more to the UK than we cost via the Barnet Formula, but the revenue is hidden with accounting tricks like the £5bn in whisky sales.

Trouble is relatively few distilleries are now Scottish owned. Many are foreign owned.

Herzlos

Tromking wrote: »

The usual grievance ridden claptrap from you unfortunately.
You make the age old Nat mistake of thinking you speak for all Scots instead of the minority. It’s not Scotland and the Scots who the Tories find abhorrent, it’s people like you who would seek to end our Union.
People don’t confront you with Scotland’s 10% of GDP fiscal deficit to somehow hide the fact of Scotland’s secret (and imagined) subsidy of the rUK, they do it to highlight the real issues that would face real Scots if they swallowed the William Wallace inspired SNP case for independence.

You're bias is pretty clear here, you should try and look at it anbit more rationally because unsaid none of that.

I do t speak for anyone but me, the Tories seem to dislike scotland as a whole, not just those that stand up for themselves.

I'm also not disputing your claimed figures showing how badly off we'll be, though you dispute the ones showing how badly off you'll be with brexit.

I'm just asking why the tories, who are against subsidising anything but the rich, would be so keen to subsidize the Scots, who they view with contempt and are left leaning so allow Labour a foothold. As I said; ditching us makes rUK essentially a single party (Tory) state.

Do you know why?

Herzlos

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Trouble is relatively few distilleries are now Scottish owned. Many are foreign owned.

They'd still be taxed in the country the distillery is in though, creative accounting tricks aside.

baldelectrician

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Trouble is relatively few distilleries are now Scottish owned. Many are foreign owned.

#Beat me to it

What matters is the taxes will be levid by a Scottish revenue and payable to them to the VAT, excise duty, and other taxes will be due to Scotland

The tax is due where the activity takes place- does not matter if the office is outside Scotland the product is made inside Scotland and taxable there.

baldelectrician

Moe_The_Bartender wrote: »

If you are so confident of that, presumably you will have no trouble supporting your suspicions with some links to back it up.


Can't ralley be bothered, but see below #1

You might also want to look up how many public sector jobs for the likes of the inland revenue exist in Scotland. What do you suppose would happen to them in the event of independence?
see # 2

#1
The tories are not willing to subsidise a spare bedroom in a council house yet we are expected to suck up the idea that they gleefully subsidise Scotland?

Scots are waking up and smelling the coffee rather than the manure like the mushrooms we were percieved to be (kept in the dark and fed manure)

#2
Glad you asked that
When independence comes there will indeed be a slashing of jobs in the public sector- outside Scotland

Right now there are lots of jobs in Whitehall and other parts of the UK which are funded (partly at least) by Scotland through our taxes.
The ones in Scotland we can keep and expand on

We will need a foreign office, MOD, DVLA and all the other departments any other state needs
We pay for this now but these jobs mainly benefit places outside Scotland.
We can bring these jobs to Scotland and distribute them all over Scotland (rather than keeping them in the central belt).

Moe_The_Bartender

Herzlos wrote: »

I'm just asking why the tories, who are against subsidising anything but the rich

In what way are the Tories subsidising the rich?

Moe_The_Bartender

Herzlos wrote: »

You'll note I said suspect, I dont have time to pour through it to figure it out, and I expect it'll be well hidden by better accountants than me. Can you offer a better hypothesis?

What you actually said was:

'I suspect it's because we actually provide more to the UK than we cost via the Barnet Formula,'

Note the words 'because we actually provide more'. In other words, stating it as a fact. I think from your previous posts that English is not your first language but if you weren't stating it as a fact, you could have chosen a different and better phrasing.

So, just to clarify, do you actually believe what everyone else doesn’t, that Scotland actually subsidises the rest of the UK?

Tromking

baldelectrician wrote: »

#1
The tories are not willing to subsidise a spare bedroom in a council house yet we are expected to suck up the idea that they gleefully subsidise Scotland?

Scots are waking up and smelling the coffee rather than the manure like the mushrooms we were percieved to be (kept in the dark and fed manure)

#2
Glad you asked that
When independence comes there will indeed be a slashing of jobs in the public sector- outside Scotland

Right now there are lots of jobs in Whitehall and other parts of the UK which are funded (partly at least) by Scotland through our taxes.
The ones in Scotland we can keep and expand on

We will need a foreign office, MOD, DVLA and all the other departments any other state needs
We pay for this now but these jobs mainly benefit places outside Scotland.
We can bring these jobs to Scotland and distribute them all over Scotland (rather than keeping them in the central belt).

I hate to break it to you, but theres not much difference between servicing the needs of 66 million people and 60 million. The need to cut jobs(if indeed there is one) to reflect the smaller U.K. population will be dwarfed by the repatriation of U.K. state employees out of Scotland. We’ve already talked about the 12,000 people that rely on the Royal Navy’s presence in Scotland, but it’ll be the hundreds of jobs at places like the Student Loans Company in Glasgow that’ll hit home if Scotland does decide to alone.
You’re right to flag up that jobs will have to be created to run a newly independent Scotland, any idea yet on the set up costs for that? The last I heard the SNP were engaged in another of there fantasy economics episodes with their quoted figure for that.

Fran_Klee

Shakethedisease wrote: »

But once thing is for sure, Scotland won't be the only country in the world without a currency.

Ooh really?
Please tell us which western nation with a population anywhere near approaching 6 million souls doesn't have it's own currency? (The link below might help.)
So much for the SNP's great plan for an independent future.
:rotfl:
https://qz.com/260980/meet-the-countries-that-dont-use-their-own-currency/