The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Herzlos

Exactly like Brexit, but with some form of a plan and regaining actual control

Regarding SNP negativity; the SNP will almost certainly implode after we leave and we'll form a different government.

The SNP also get a lot of mud flung at them, primarily by Tory MPs and councillors, and do the best they can with what they have. They spend a lot of effort and resources trying to mitigate the worst of Tory austerity.

Ate they perfect? No chance. Are they better than leaving the Westminster Tories in charge? Absolutely.

You should never let perfect be the enemy of good.

Fran_Klee

Herzlos wrote: »

Exactly like Brexit, but with some form of a plan and regaining actual control

Where is the detailed planned budget from the SNP for after independence then?
They can't even say for sure what currency they will use.

Shakethedisease

Fran_Klee wrote: »

Where is the detailed planned budget from the SNP for after independence then?
They can't even say for sure what currency they will use.

*checks the calendar because I think I'm back in 2014*

Currency and budgets are party political polices for after immediately after independence. Independence itself enables Scottish political control over such issues. As already alluded to, is likely the SNP will implode shortly afterwards so won't be in charge and it'll be up to competing Scottish parties to set out their budgets. But once thing is for sure, Scotland won't be the only country in the world without a currency.

The SNP can put forward their own version of independence and as many White papers as they like. But it's very unlikely to be the one we ulitmately end up with once new Scottish political parties emerge shortly after a Yes vote.

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

But it's very unlikely to be the one we ulitmately end up with once new Scottish political parties emerge shortly after a Yes vote.

More likely a one party dictatorship. Otherwise the ultimate objective will never be achieved. There's years of work ahead.

Moe_The_Bartender

Shakethedisease wrote: »

*checks the calendar because I think I'm back in 2014*

Currency and budgets are party political polices for after immediately after independence. Independence itself enables Scottish political control over such issues. As already alluded to, is likely the SNP will implode shortly afterwards so won't be in charge and it'll be up to competing Scottish parties to set out their budgets. But once thing is for sure, Scotland won't be the only country in the world without a currency.

You make that sound like a good thing. So which country’s Central Bank would you like to be at the mercy of?

Herzlos

Fran_Klee wrote: »

Where is the detailed planned budget from the SNP for after independence then?
They can't even say for sure what currency they will use.

I'm sure it'll all be detailed before the referendum in an updated white paper.

Where's the details for Brexit, 3.5 years after the referendum?

Herzlos

SpiderLegs wrote: »

Yes I can see why you got so cross at all that extra money being thrown in your direction.

This baffles me fairly often. If we're actually such a drain, as well as being politically abhorrent to the Tories, why are they insisting on hanging onto us?
I mean if they cut us loose they'd be saving billions a year and would lose nearly 50 anti-Tory MPs. It'd give them a boost and keep them in power for ever.

I suspect it's because we actually provide more to the UK than we cost via the Barnet Formula, but the revenue is hidden with accounting tricks like the £5bn in whisky sales.

When May was talking about trading with the EU she was only talking about Whisky and Scottish Salmon, as if they need us to get a good deal.

Tromking

Herzlos wrote: »

This baffles me fairly often. If we're actually such a drain, as well as being politically abhorrent to the Tories, why are they insisting on hanging onto us?
I mean if they cut us loose they'd be saving billions a year and would lose nearly 50 anti-Tory MPs. It'd give them a boost and keep them in power for ever.

I suspect it's because we actually provide more to the UK than we cost via the Barnet Formula, but the revenue is hidden with accounting tricks like the £5bn in whisky sales.

When May was talking about trading with the EU she was only talking about Whisky and Scottish Salmon, as if they need us to get a good deal.

The usual grievance ridden claptrap from you unfortunately.
You make the age old Nat mistake of thinking you speak for all Scots instead of the minority. It’s not Scotland and the Scots who the Tories find abhorrent, it’s people like you who would seek to end our Union.
People don’t confront you with Scotland’s 10% of GDP fiscal deficit to somehow hide the fact of Scotland’s secret (and imagined) subsidy of the rUK, they do it to highlight the real issues that would face real Scots if they swallowed the William Wallace inspired SNP case for independence.

Moe_The_Bartender

Herzlos wrote: »

I suspect it's because we actually provide more to the UK than we cost via the Barnet Formula, but the revenue is hidden with accounting tricks like the £5bn in whisky sales.

If you are so confident of that, presumably you will have no trouble supporting your suspicions with some links to back it up. But I suspect that, as usual, you will disappear when you are challenged.

You might also want to look up how many public sector jobs for the likes of the inland revenue exist in Scotland. What do you suppose would happen to them in the event of independence?

molerat

Also the thousands of military jobs. Have they asked Uncle Donald which equipment he will allow to be based in Scotland ?