The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

kabayiri

Shakethedisease wrote: »

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The question is how Theresa ( or whoever is in charge ) will stop a vote in Scotland from happening ?

Have you got a new timeline now perchance?

I've lost count of the predicted key deadlines.

Wasn't it September of this year?

Whatever, the clock is ticking, and you're running out of time.

The Irish issue gets far more press than Scotland when it comes to matters Brexit.

cogito

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Did you miss the bit about the First Minister of Scotland talking openly about Scottish independence, new chapters, Growth Commission reports on independence ( with national assembly debates on the content), biggest ever marches and announcements of grassroots funding for independence groups ?

No. I missed none of that. Nor have I missed the bit about the Growth Commission being referred to as the Austerity Commission by economists, the IFS and quite a few indy supporters as well. It's been ripped apart or did YOU miss that bit.

BTW. How does an independent Scotland propose to repay its share of the National Debt? It doesn't but it is willing to pay a bit of interest. How does that work?

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

Have you got a new timeline now perchance?

I've lost count of the predicted key deadlines.

Wasn't it September of this year?

Whatever, the clock is ticking, and you're running out of time.

The timetable is also the same as it's always been Oct 18 to March 19. I imagine that's why the wheels are being set in motion now.

The Irish issue gets far more press than Scotland when it comes to matters Brexit.

What NI gets re frictionless borders, Scotland will want too btw ( short of an indy vote ). We're all watching, and you can bet the Scottish Govt certainly is.

Shakethedisease

cogito wrote: »

No. I missed none of that. Nor have I missed the bit about the Growth Commission being referred to as the Austerity Commission by economists, the IFS and quite a few indy supporters as well. It's been ripped apart or did YOU miss that bit.

BTW. How does an independent Scotland propose to repay its share of the National Debt? It doesn't but it is willing to pay a bit of interest. How does that work?

No I saw all of it. But it was all the usual predictable stuff from the usual suspects and blogs. The best one was the 'economist' who was projecting forward 67 years ! The Growth Commission is a report, not a policy blueprint. That's why there are numerous national assemblies and debates planned over the coming months all feeding back into it. There are also other reports out there too ( Common Weal etc ). Take your pick I guess. The report has certainly garnered a lot of criticism from the left in Scotland as is too 'business friendly' for them.

On a positive note it seems to have completely refocused the debate/narrative onto independence rather than referendums. This is where Davidson et al are all sounding like robotic stuck records these days 'no to another referendum/no to another referendum/no to..' Will be a different prospect altogether Davidson having to justify a Brexit UK. Looking forward to it in fact.

Oh good oh

Nick Eardley!!!8207;Verified account @nickeardleybbc I'm now 99% sure UK government will go ahead with devolution elements of Withdrawal Bill without Holyrood backing. UK gov't source says they will get on with setting up frameworks. Denies it'll be a crisis and says things will happen "as constitution provides for"

The Tories are going to break the Scotland Act and not wait/bypass the Supreme Court decision ! Fantastic stuff for Nicola if true, what can I say. :T

13 hrs ago Poll reveals Scots want Holyrood in control of key issues

A MAJORITY of people in Scotland want Holyrood to be in control of key policy areas including Trident and immigration, according to a new poll. The finding was among the results of a survey of more than 1000 people north of the Border, which also found most voters supported the Scottish Government having control over the number of foreign workers coming to the country.

The survey was conducted by YouGov for the BBC and found people in Scotland are more likely to be optimistic about the future than people elsewhere in the UK. Polling expert professor John Curtice said the people with an optimistic view of Scotland’s future were “predominantly those who are supporters of independence”. He said: “What seems to be the case in Scotland is that SNP supporters in particular, supporters of Scottish independence, are inclined to feel the best days are ahead.

http://www.thenational.scot/news/16274073.Poll_reveals_HUGE_support_among_Scots_for_Holyrood_to_control_key_issues/

LHW99

What NI gets re frictionless borders, Scotland will want too btw

I have driven up to Scotland a couple of times lately and haven't noticed much friction at the border currently.

cogito

A majority of 1000 people interviewed want Scotland to have control of Trident. Of course, that's going to happen.

The same survey wants Scotland to have control over the number of foreign workers entering the country. I'm confused. Isn't that a Brexit policy? I thought Scotland didn't want Brexit.

Maybe the Scottish idea of having control is to compel foreign workers to go there as they don't seem to be having much success in attracting them now.

kabayiri

cogito wrote: »

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Maybe the Scottish idea of having control is to compel foreign workers to go there as they don't seem to be having much success in attracting them now.

EU migrant workers are driven by economics.

If Scotland offered a better option than the rest of the UK, they would head in big numbers.

The Scottish government should focus on creating conditions to attract better quality work

This supposed lack of control on migration is a weak excuse.

Shakethedisease

cogito wrote: »

A majority of 1000 people interviewed want Scotland to have control of Trident. Of course, that's going to happen.

The same survey wants Scotland to have control over the number of foreign workers entering the country. I'm confused. Isn't that a Brexit policy? I thought Scotland didn't want Brexit.

Maybe the Scottish idea of having control is to compel foreign workers to go there as they don't seem to be having much success in attracting them now.

Think immigration control is more about people ( Windrush/hostile environment ) not being deported to be honest. There have been a LOT of stories in the Scottish press recently, same as everywhere I imagine about individuals about to be deported. One of which is a nursing student who carried the Olympic torch and another of a 10 year old boy, been in Scotland since he was 3 and orphaned.

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

EU migrant workers are driven by economics.

If Scotland offered a better option than the rest of the UK, they would head in big numbers.

The Scottish government should focus on creating conditions to attract better quality work

This supposed lack of control on migration is a weak excuse.

Unionists are starting to lose the economic arguments now too. Scots and others aren't so convinced Scotland will be such a bad place after independence.

SNP independence poll boost as confidence builds over effect of Yes vote

8 JUN 2018 A shock survey has revealed 41 per cent think Scotland's economy will get better after quitting the UK. Scottish nationalists are winning the economic argument for independence, according to the most comprehensive study of public opinion.
In a boost for Nicola Sturgeon ahead of the SNP party conference, which starts today, a major survey found Scots are much more positive about the financial consequences of a Yes vote than they were prior to the 2014 referendum.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/snps-independence-poll-boost-scots-12664962

Shakethedisease

Here's some other notable results from polls released to coincide with the SNP conference.


The latest @thetimesscot @YouGov Westminster (Scotland) poll:

SNP 40 (+4)
Tories 27 (+4)
Labour 23 (-5)
Liberal Democrats 7 (+1)
Greens 2 (-1)
UKIP 1 (-2)
Other 0 (-1)

Westminster seat projection: SNP 43 (+8) Tories 11 (-2) Liberal Democrats 4 (n/c) Labour 1 (-6)


The latest @thetimesscot @YouGov Holyrood constituency poll:



SNP 41 (+3)
Tories 27 (+1)
Labour 22 (-1)
Liberal Democrats 6 (-1)
Greens 2 (-1)
UKIP 1 (-2)
Other 1 (+1)


Scottish Social Attitudes Survey 2018 - Should Scotland be an Independent Country: Yes 48%, No 52%

Because for the first time, and as a direct result of Brexit (as other data in the survey makes clear), most Scots now think that independence will make Scotlands economy BETTER than it would be in the Union. A 17-point negative margin before the indyref has now become a six-point positive one, a 23-point move. (Or in election terms, a huge 11.5% swing.)

Maybe time for some second thoughts on imposing the Withdrawal Bill on Scotland without Holyrood's consent ? The huge fuss over that, with every Scottish party supporting Nicola Sturgeon will could easily see polls for independence swinging upwards even further. Perhaps Nicola is counting on it ?