The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

islandannie

Shaka_Zulu wrote: »

Box on, if you wish.

I think we know recognise that silencing any opposition is the normal tactic of the Natz.

How did your "forward as one" rally go today? :rotfl:

A grand gathering:-

Well that is pretty funny even from the loony separatists.

We will never surrender until our benefits run out.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

More SNP troubles:

Scotland's fishermen have threatened the SNP government with legal action if it presses ahead with a controversial plan to force them to land more of their catch in Scottish ports.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/02/fishermen-threaten-snp-ministers-legal-action-plan-force-land/

THE SNP has been accused of trying to airbrush history after the party’s look back at the main political events in its review of the year failed to mention the decision to call a second independence referendum.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/snp-accused-of-airbrushing-history-over-indyref2-announcement-1-4549226

SNP goes into the red as membership revenue has first drop

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/scotland/snp-goes-into-the-red-as-membership-revenue-has-first-drop-mhtm968md

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Here's hoping ! He's a gift to the indy movement.

Heh heh heh, it looks more and more like some kind of "gift to the indy movement." is needed if it's going to survive in any effective capacity.

TrickyTree83

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

More SNP troubles:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/02/fishermen-threaten-snp-ministers-legal-action-plan-force-land/

http://www.scotsman.com/news/snp-accused-of-airbrushing-history-over-indyref2-announcement-1-4549226

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/scotland/snp-goes-into-the-red-as-membership-revenue-has-first-drop-mhtm968md


Heh heh heh, it looks more and more like some kind of "gift to the indy movement." is needed if it's going to survive in any effective capacity.

It's finished. It's been a long time finished.

Brexit will make the home nations even more dependent on one another whether it is a success or failure. Any move away from the home nations will be worse than it would have been prior. They're going to look to the disgruntled EU citizen vote to try to push for another stab at it. But ultimately it will fail because all of the "boring" questions that have been around since before 2014 still have not been answered. We're waiting a long time for this growth commission report, I hope it's not using taxpayer monies to fund it.

Honestly have no idea why they carry on, I mean the nats on this forum can't give good reasons as to why they want independence, just that they do.

Shaka_Zulu

Germans for Scottsih Independence. !!!!!!?

Tommy Sheridan attracting a crowd.





Is the crowd bigger here than in Dunfermline the other week?

Shakethedisease

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

More SNP troubles:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/02/fishermen-threaten-snp-ministers-legal-action-plan-force-land/

http://www.scotsman.com/news/snp-accused-of-airbrushing-history-over-indyref2-announcement-1-4549226

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/scotland/snp-goes-into-the-red-as-membership-revenue-has-first-drop-mhtm968md


Heh heh heh, it looks more and more like some kind of "gift to the indy movement." is needed if it's going to survive in any effective capacity.

I can assure Anas Sarwar is a gift to the indy movement. Most cannot believe Scottish Labour would even think of electing him. Same went for Jim Murphy. Folks like you crowing how 'rattled' the SNP were over him being leader, when in reality we were all in amused disbelief Scottish Labour could be so dim and out of touch.

The other two stories are the usual silly season straw clutching. Scottish Fishermen have far more important things to worry about than what the SNP are going to do to quotas. They can have all the massive quotas they want but it won't make any difference if they don't have a market to sell them in. Which is what might happen soon.

The Scotsman, the Times and the Telegraph eh. Such unbiased balance..

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

It's finished. It's been a long time finished.

Brexit will make the home nations even more dependent on one another whether it is a success or failure. Any move away from the home nations will be worse than it would have been prior. They're going to look to the disgruntled EU citizen vote to try to push for another stab at it. But ultimately it will fail because all of the "boring" questions that have been around since before 2014 still have not been answered. We're waiting a long time for this growth commission report, I hope it's not using taxpayer monies to fund it.

Honestly have no idea why they carry on, I mean the nats on this forum can't give good reasons as to why they want independence, just that they do.

No that's all in your own head Tricky. It's what's commonly known as 'wishful thinking' written down as if it's fact. Nothing is over. The SNP, Sturgeon, independence advocates and ordinary people like me have simply stepped aside for a while in order to let Brexit and the full implications take centre stage.

Davidson is struggling both with a bigot/racist row regarding reinstating councillors... and also struggling to come up with policies other than 'no independence'. Her latest being proposing 8 'New towns' be built in Scotland ( no financial plans as to how it'll be paid for ), to ease the housing problem but still offer Right to Buy once they are all built. Going a bit Corbyn.

Dugdale has had enough and resigned. None of the Corbyn supporting wing of the party will stand. Which leaves two candidates who are both Blairite hangovers. Much bumping gums about how this is Scottish Labours biggest chance to outflank the SNP to the left. While completely forgetting that Labour is a UK party and the further left Scottish Labour go compared to the UK party, the more chance they have of a split.

Corbyn might have shifted the party down south to the left.. but nowhere near enough for what would satisfy the Scottish electorate in order to dump the SNP wholesale. UK Labour have had steal most of their policies from things the SNP have already implemented over the last 10 years. So nothing new up here.

Questions are NEVER boring Tricky when it's your job or livelyhood on the line. The question will be if it'll be Brexit OR an indy Scotland in the Single Market which will cause the biggest hit. Much still depends on the Brexit we end up with. <

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Mark these words because this is what it will come down to. Holyrood still has it's mandate in place. Just because most indy advocates are keeping stumm just now doesn't mean we aren't watching and waiting.

Brexit needs to be exposed quickly and and simply for what it is. Without referendums, nor Davidson/Dugdale's one 'no referendum' policy muddying the waters again first. Sturgeon keeping quiet for now is also exposing Davidson and her party well too. Racism, bigots, anti-travellers, Davidson fibbing and an autocratic leadership all in the news last week or so. About time.

Shakethedisease

I forgot these. Simple but to the point :-



Below is 'Salmonds Vanity project' ( according to Gordon Brown at the time ) which was opened this week and came in 245m under budget.


Well done to the Scottish Government. And I forgot to add Corbyn drawing HUGE crowds in Scotland last week too.:rotfl:

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

No that's all in your own head Tricky. It's what's commonly known as 'wishful thinking' written down as if it's fact. Nothing is over. The SNP, Sturgeon, independence advocates and ordinary people like me have simply stepped aside for a while in order to let Brexit and the full implications take centre stage.

Davidson is struggling both with a bigot/racist row regarding reinstating councillors... and also struggling to come up with policies other than 'no independence'. Her latest being proposing 8 'New towns' be built in Scotland ( no financial plans as to how it'll be paid for ), to ease the housing problem but still offer Right to Buy once they are all built. Going a bit Corbyn.

Dugdale has had enough and resigned. None of the Corbyn supporting wing of the party will stand. Which leaves two candidates who are both Blairite hangovers. Much bumping gums about how this is Scottish Labours biggest chance to outflank the SNP to the left. While completely forgetting that Labour is a UK party and the further left Scottish Labour go compared to the UK party, the more chance they have of a split.

Corbyn might have shifted the party down south to the left.. but nowhere near enough for what would satisfy the Scottish electorate in order to dump the SNP wholesale. UK Labour have had steal most of their policies from things the SNP have already implemented over the last 10 years. So nothing new up here.

Questions are NEVER boring Tricky when it's your job or livelyhood on the line. The question will be if it'll be Brexit OR an indy Scotland in the Single Market which will cause the biggest hit. Much still depends on the Brexit we end up with. <

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Mark these words because this is what it will come down to. Holyrood still has it's mandate in place. Just because most indy advocates are keeping stumm just now doesn't mean we aren't watching and waiting.

Brexit needs to be exposed quickly and and simply for what it is. Without referendums, nor Davidson/Dugdale's one 'no referendum' policy muddying the waters again first. Sturgeon keeping quiet for now is also exposing Davidson and her party well too. Racism, bigots, anti-travellers, Davidson fibbing and an autocratic leadership all in the news last week or so. About time.

I see no reason why I cannot give my opinion, I remember in the recent past giving my opinion of the politcal beating I expected the SNP to get in the GE. Of course I was told that was wishful thinking too. Look how that turned out... We heard the same bubble narrative from you in the run up to the GE, we also heard it when Sturgeon was throwing her toys out of the pram and demanding a referendum, and we heard it when you thought Scotland could remain rather than re-join. You've been wrong every time, are others supposed to believe you to be correct again after such a disastrous track record?

It's beginning to look less like your finger is on the pulse of Scottish politics and more like you are following what the herd think and say, trapped by choice or not in your Scottish Nationalist echo chamber of untruths. The SNP and SGP shrank in support in the GE in Scotland. Yet you still talk of the Conservatives and Labour as if there's nothing to worry about. The combined unionist vote according to the GE results have grown. And that likely includes your EU citizens in the electorate.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I see no reason why I cannot give my opinion, I remember in the recent past giving my opinion of the politcal beating I expected the SNP to get in the GE. Of course I was told that was wishful thinking too. Look how that turned out... We heard the same bubble narrative from you in the run up to the GE, we also heard it when Sturgeon was throwing her toys out of the pram and demanding a referendum, and we heard it when you thought Scotland could remain rather than re-join. You've been wrong every time, are others supposed to believe you to be correct again after such a disastrous track record?

It's beginning to look less like your finger is on the pulse of Scottish politics and more like you are following what the herd think and say, trapped by choice or not in your Scottish Nationalist echo chamber of untruths. The SNP and SGP shrank in support in the GE in Scotland. Yet you still talk of the Conservatives and Labour as if there's nothing to worry about. The combined unionist vote according to the GE results have grown. And that likely includes your EU citizens in the electorate.

You give your opinion, that is absolutely fine with me. It's why we're all on a debate forum after all.

A few observations for you. I suspect that like me many in Scotland cannot summon up much in the way of enthusiasm for voting in Westminster elections anymore. In 2015 we all had high hopes that 56 MPs might mean changes and further meaningful powers coming to Holyrood. Alas, the combined UK might of all the other parties meant the SNP were simply ignored or talked out. A real wake up call to watch.

Thus in May 2017 it made for little difference (to me, and many others) if the SNP returned 56 or 6 MP's. It didn't matter and I stated this several times on here. They have no bearing on Westminster politics and many of us in Scotland have simply disengaged and given up on the whole process. I voted sure but only because I felt I had to. I didn't even watch the results come in.

Shrinking support, well yes when it comes to Westminster politics. We can see now that it makes no difference how many SNP or indy supporting MP's there are. Why bother ?

Sturgeon is very wisely keeping her powder dry and her mouth shut for now. Davidson and the next Scottish Labour leader have nothing to offer when they have no independence/referendum soundbites to cling to and it's really starting to show. And then there's the real test of where they both will stand on the Repeal Bill. Sturgeon and Jones have already stated they're having none of it as it stands.

Davidson and the new Scottish Labour leader are going to have to make a choice with that one. Again, Brexit and the way it all heads over the next year will make for some interesting times. Holyrood still has it's mandate. Both Corbyn and May are hard brexit advocates. Scotland still could remain, but I don't think its the way the SNP want to present things as they stand now. Preferring instead the EFTA route which neatly gives them the Single market AND control over fishing/agriculture etc.

August 30, 2017,

Two of Chancellor Angela Merkel’s potential coalition partners after next month’s election have broken ranks with the U.K. government and given their backing to an independent Scotland inside the European Union...

..The FDP, who partnered Merkel in her second term, call for talks between the EU and U.K. under way in Brussels “to consider the interests of Scotland and Northern Ireland fairly” after the two regions voted against Brexit. “Should they decide to leave the U.K., the door to the EU should remain open -- as it should to the U.K...

..The Greens, which run the state that’s home to Mercedes and Porsche cars in a coalition with Merkel’s party, also refer to Scotland and Northern Ireland. “We welcome openly and with understanding the wishes of the Scots and Northern Irish, as well as the many people in the U.K. who want to remain in the EU,” the Greens say in their manifesto. “We make clear that our door remains open.”..

..The German backing for Scotland to remain in the EU is at once a rebuke to Prime Minister Theresa May and a rare sign of international encouragement for Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon’s attempts to avoid Brexit.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-30/german-parties-snub-u-k-to-back-scotland-s-push-to-defy-brexit

elantan

Shakethedisease wrote:

Here's hoping ! He's a gift to the indy movement.

He certainly would be, FMQ was quite good this week I thought, Nicola was quite calm and fairly rattled Ruth cage, new labour guy ( cant remember his name just now) awfy monotonous, with rather useless questions, when I was in Spain last week there was quite a lot of Scotland on the news, also on the Sky news as well, mentions of a UK government were not too well received, it was all Brexit ( which sounds like it was going worse than anyone expected)

Loving this idea of an investment bank as well, it's good to see the plans are moving forward.