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The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.
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Thrugelmir wrote: »I follow the real news. Tomorrow's issues are already on the horizon just a question of when.
December 2008 Euro 1.08
Setember 2009 Euro 1.16
April 2012 Euro 1.22
Today Euro 1.15
Exchange rates have always moved. Part of running a business.
And by your own admission Brexit triggered the recent fall from 140s to 115.
All is fine in the rosy world of a Brexiteer.0 -
IveSeenTheLight wrote: »Don't get hung up on the wording just because our opinions / beliefs differ.
I find this hugely ironic coming from someone who had a 5 - 10 page rant at me because they wanted to discredit an analogy rather than the point it was making.0 -
TrickyTree83 wrote: »If it's good enough for the Fraser of Allander institute it should be good enough for me and you.
Its understood, you have blinkers on and not willing to apply in a wider contextTrickyTree83 wrote: »Bringing the rest of the UK into it is just an attempt to steer away from the point I was making that it's a choice between risking 120,000 jobs or risking 500,000 jobs. It was thus and always will be.
Not at all.
I've raised before that the 500,000 jobs you reference is based on a £50B export to rUK
In proportion then, the UK is looking at 2.4M jobs at risk from the £240B export to the EU.
I've then articulated in a close minded, no trade with EU extreme example, I'd rather work within a much larger market than the much smaller rUK marketTrickyTree83 wrote: »I don't dismiss it, it's just clearly not as big an issue as you're making it out to be. It does not trump risking 500,000 Scottish jobs, ~5.5% of your GDP and ~64% of your exported trade. Yet you're claiming it does trump these issues, which is delusional.
I've not claimed it trumped it, I've merely articulated that the Brexit you have chosen to cite is one where the UK will see mass unemployment, a reduced marketplace and one which shows the greater potential with the EU than the rUKTrickyTree83 wrote: »Based on what? We've all been a part of that market for 40 years, Scottish exports to the rUK grow faster than exports to the other EU 27. There is no evidence that just because you're in the EU that you will magically replace all of the lost jobs and trade as a result of separation from the UK.
Nobody is suggesting a magical solution.
I also showed examples where the Scottish exports are getting swept up with the UK accounts.TrickyTree83 wrote: »Ask Greece how they're growing their economy as part of this miraculous market.
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/greece/gdp-growth
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/greece/government-debt-to-gdp
Scotland has a larger deficit than Greece and no tourism industry to speak of by comparison. Where is this economic miracle going to occur? What industry? How many jobs? Where in Scotland? Which businesses? How much revenue?
Scotland is not Greece.
I see why you are making comparisons, but they have completely differing demographics and industriesTrickyTree83 wrote: »If the rest of the UK needs water we'll source it and construct the infrastructure required to do so as we do right now. The exporting of water as a resource is completely ridiculous, it's a heavy liquid used in large quantities (much more than petroleum). A pipeline would be hellishly expensive and Salmond was laughed at for suggesting it.
Where are you sourcing it from?TrickyTree83 wrote: »
25% of the UK's energy comes from renewables.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_the_United_Kingdom
Of which Scotland generates 26.4% (down from 32% in 2014) of the 25%, so around 6% of the UK's renewable energy.
Your suggestion is as if the rest of the UK is somehow incompetent and incapable of using renewable sources ourselves?
We've got the capacity to do so, there will be no need to purchase it from iScotland.
Fair enough.
You have the capacity, no need to purchase from iScotland.
If there is so much capacity, why are they looking at an interconnector to Iceland?TrickyTree83 wrote: »Have you considered that 50m+ people could be contributing more to your economy than 5m people are to the rUK in this manner?
Possibly, but there could be an argument that more people travel from Scotland to / through England than the other way round.
I don't have the figures.
Nevertheless, you miss the point about where these role up into with regards to the accounts.TrickyTree83 wrote: »It's not unlikely according to posters on here, and Nicola Sturgeon is it? That's the entire reason to push for independence isn't it?
Its true that TM appears to see us heading more towards the extreme exit, which is why in that scenario, being ties to a shrinking rUK market, would not be a preferred as a growing EU marketTrickyTree83 wrote: »Do you not see the catch 22 you're in? Advocating for independence because of a bad/no deal, but that very situation being the worst possible conditions to be gunning for independence.
NS was happy to take off the table, but TM is driving us towards a bleak scenarioTrickyTree83 wrote: »The logic would make me laugh if it wasn't so important to millions of Scottish people that light needs to be shone on it to expose it for the fraud that it is.
Indeed, as long as the take the full context into consideration as opposed to a narrow view of the impact.:wall:
What we've got here is....... failure to communicate.
Some men you just can't reach.
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TrickyTree83 wrote: »It was meant to be confrontational, I've genuinely had enough of the !!!! lord posting. I don't care if you hate me for it, the lies and denial has to stop. The past 30 - 40 pages of this thread have predominantly been indy posters involved in arguments with posters other than myself over lingual semantics and "he said/she said" garbage.
When it comes to actually attacking the issue at hand you're all shrinking violets. No answers, no plans, just faith. When called out on the "I believe we'll use the groat" lines and why those suggestions are ridiculous it degenerates again into hysterical denial and flooding the thread with irrelevant nonsense.
Poor old soul go and take a nap, wake up and put your brexit goggles on and all will be rosy again.
I don't remember anyone seriously claiming to use the groat. What were the concrete plans for brexit? a billboard on the side of a bus that when Boris realised enough fools actually fell for it he ran a mile :rotfl:0 -
TrickyTree83 wrote: »I find this hugely ironic coming from someone who had a 5 - 10 page rant at me because they wanted to discredit an analogy rather than the point it was making.
LOL, don't go back there.
We showed the analogy was deeply flawed.
I didn't rant wither, I just pointed out the errors in your use of the analogy:wall:
What we've got here is....... failure to communicate.
Some men you just can't reach.
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If you really must attempt agitation stick to fact.Don't expect them to see the irony.
Did the same to me too.TrickyTree83 wrote: »I find this hugely ironic coming from someone who had a 5 - 10 page rant at me because they wanted to discredit an analogy rather than the point it was making.
More than once.0 -
Thrugelmir wrote: »I follow the real news. Tomorrow's issues are already on the horizon just a question of when.
December 2008 Euro 1.08
Setember 2009 Euro 1.16
April 2012 Euro 1.22
Today Euro 1.15
Exchange rates have always moved. Part of running a business.
What a selective set of dates.
July 2007 Euro 1.48
July 2012 Euro 1.28
July 2015 Euro 1.42
You've made no comment on the trend against the dollar either:wall:
What we've got here is....... failure to communicate.
Some men you just can't reach.
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Don't expect them to see the irony.
The short memories failed to recall I actually wanted (as Daniel Hannan wanted) an EEA/EFTA/Free Trade deal situation where we can continue to benefit from trade with the EU and make our own trade arrangements around the world simultaneously. I didn't vote for "no deal" but the available options were "In" or "Out", so rather than maintain the status quo of ever encroaching regulation (see recent ruling on AVMS, if you're unaware your uninformed) I opted for "Out" to make the best of a bad situation.0 -
A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »If you really must attempt agitation stick to fact.
It's a fact that, in these parts, the crash in currency has been lauded as wonderful for the UK as we head for the sunny uplands of Brexit.
Of course Scotland post-independence being in possession of a weak currency would be a terrible, utterly horrific thing to happen.
Like I say I'm a big fan of irony.0
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