The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

mayonnaise wrote: »

Of course one is allowed to question what one perceives as nonsense.
Telling posters to 'jog on' is somewhat different.

Because that is so much worse than the use of bridge-dwelling terminology - that you didn't object to?
Hypocrite much?

A_Pict_In_A_Past_Life

sss555s wrote: »

Maybe from where you come from but in Scotland it is confrontational and offensive.

Anyone with a strong connection with or from Scotland will tell you that.

No they willnae!
No here & no the other side where my family is.
Nice try mind but failed.

TrickyTree83

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Calm down.
If you choose to look at only a portion of the impact, then were tightly going to identify the wider picture and therefore the overall risks.

If it's good enough for the Fraser of Allander institute it should be good enough for me and you.

Bringing the rest of the UK into it is just an attempt to steer away from the point I was making that it's a choice between risking 120,000 jobs or risking 500,000 jobs. It was thus and always will be.

I accept that, but you do dismiss considering the wider impact, which DOES have a bearing on SCOTLAND

I don't dismiss it, it's just clearly not as big an issue as you're making it out to be. It does not trump risking 500,000 Scottish jobs, ~5.5% of your GDP and ~64% of your exported trade. Yet you're claiming it does trump these issues, which is delusional.

Again for clarity, in that extreme circumstances, the impact on the UK would result that the long term potential would be preferential to be in a market 8 times larger than rUK

Based on what? We've all been a part of that market for 40 years, Scottish exports to the rUK grow faster than exports to the other EU 27. There is no evidence that just because you're in the EU that you will magically replace all of the lost jobs and trade as a result of separation from the UK. Ask Greece how they're growing their economy as part of this miraculous market.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/greece/gdp-growth
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/greece/government-debt-to-gdp

Scotland has a larger deficit than Greece and no tourism industry to speak of by comparison. Where is this economic miracle going to occur? What industry? How many jobs? Where in Scotland? Which businesses? How much revenue?

Its not about what is the largest sector, but what is important.
I accept that the services industry is larger and could be supplied

Water is one, do you acknowledge that? Its pretty important

So your services industries which primarily do their business inside the UK will just switch to doing business in the EU as if you'd been a part of it for 300 years? Of course it's about the largest sector. If the rest of the UK needs water we'll source it and construct the infrastructure required to do so as we do right now. The exporting of water as a resource is completely ridiculous, it's a heavy liquid used in large quantities (much more than petroleum). A pipeline would be hellishly expensive and Salmond was laughed at for suggesting it.

How about Energy? I read somewhere that Scotlands renewable energy produces something like 25% of the UK's consumption, that being a country with only 8.3% population, so there's likely continued need for export to rUK

25% of the UK's energy comes from renewables.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_the_United_Kingdom

Of which Scotland generates 26.4% (down from 32% in 2014) of the 25%, so around 6% of the UK's renewable energy.

Your suggestion is as if the rest of the UK is somehow incompetent and incapable of using renewable sources ourselves?

We've got the capacity to do so, there will be no need to purchase it from iScotland.

But furthermore, there is dubiety over the figures you state as it is not possible in the current accounts to determine exactly where the flow of money comes from and usually ends up as UK accounts.

As an example.

Have you considered that 50m+ people could be contributing more to your economy than 5m people are to the rUK in this manner?

Are you still going to repeat that an iScotland is at risk of independence without actually acknowledging the wider context and why the extreme hypothetical scenario is unlikely?

It's not unlikely according to posters on here, and Nicola Sturgeon is it? That's the entire reason to push for independence isn't it?

Do you not see the catch 22 you're in? Advocating for independence because of a bad/no deal, but that very situation being the worst possible conditions to be gunning for independence. The logic would make me laugh if it wasn't so important to millions of Scottish people that light needs to be shone on it to expose it for the fraud that it is.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

sss555s wrote: »

Maybe from where you come from but in Scotland it is confrontational and offensive.

Anyone with a strong connection with or from Scotland will tell you that.

What is confrontational and offensive are some pro-indy posters.

The terminology used by TrickyTree83 is not considered offensive here either.
Unless you're a really delicate wee soul.
Which - let's be honest - doesn't apply to many posters here no matter their beliefs.

IveSeenTheLight

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Brexit didn't trash the exchange rate. Brexit was simply the trigger. As sterling was overvalued. Considered to be for a very long time.

Overvalued????
I had always though the pound has continually weakened over time, especially against the dollar


Against the Euro, there is also a decline

sss555s

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Brexit didn't trash the exchange rate. Brexit was simply the trigger. As sterling was overvalued. Considered to be for a very long time. Your business model isn't very sound if it depends on a favourable exchange rate. Has been lower than this in the past. Why not source the product in the UK?

How does independence help your business? You are still going to have to face the challenges of a fluctuating exchange rate.

So brexit didnt trash the exchange rate but brexit was the trigger? Great logic thug!
I didn't say my business depends on exchange rates but they do affect it like with any business. Anyone who doesn't see that shouldn't be talking about business.
I do secure the product in the UK from distributors who source it in the EU from the main EU distributor.
Independence probably wont help my business in the short term but I accept that as it is the right thing for Scotland in the long term.

TrickyTree83

sss555s wrote: »

Maybe from where you come from but in Scotland it is confrontational and offensive.

Anyone with a strong connection with or from Scotland will tell you that.

It was meant to be confrontational, I've genuinely had enough of the !!!! lord posting. I don't care if you hate me for it, the lies and denial has to stop. The past 30 - 40 pages of this thread have predominantly been indy posters involved in arguments with posters other than myself over lingual semantics and "he said/she said" garbage.

When it comes to actually attacking the issue at hand you're all shrinking violets. No answers, no plans, just faith. When called out on the "I believe we'll use the groat" lines and why those suggestions are ridiculous it degenerates again into hysterical denial and flooding the thread with irrelevant nonsense.

A_Pict_In_A_Past_Life

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

It was meant to be confrontational, I've genuinely had enough of the !!!! lord posting. I don't care if you hate me for it, the lies and denial has to stop. The past 30 - 40 pages of this thread have predominantly been indy posters involved in arguments with posters other than myself over lingual semantics and "he said/she said" garbage.

When it comes to actually attacking the issue at hand you're all shrinking violets. No answers, no plans, just faith. When called out on the "I believe we'll use the groat" lines and why those suggestions are ridiculous it degenerates again into hysterical denial and flooding the thread with irrelevant nonsense.

There's a few said it besides you & MSJ.
Watch out, you'll get accused of being someone else or told you're a T .........
It's really bad the now, thinking it's okay to do that & it's not.
Me, I'm pleased some stand up to them.
More should.

This is spot-on:

mollycat wrote: »

Modern day Scotland.

Know when to keep your trap shut, (even if you have something noble to say)...

....or the Nats propaganda machine will get you.

Thrugelmir

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Overvalued????


Against the Euro, there is also a decline

I follow the real news. Tomorrow's issues are already on the horizon just a question of when.

December 2008 Euro 1.08
Setember 2009 Euro 1.16
April 2012 Euro 1.22
Today Euro 1.15


Exchange rates have always moved. Part of running a business.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Thrugelmir wrote: »

I follow the real news. Tomorrow's issues are already on the horizon just a question of when.

December 2008 Euro 1.08
Setember 2009 Euro 1.16
April 2012 Euro 1.22
Today Euro 1.15


Exchange rates have always moved. Part of running a business.

No no no no, are you not following this thread?
Facts are not allowed.
They get in the way of a good argument.

You and I (as well as others, Thrugelmir) know that there have been discussions galore about this across threads in these forums.
We know that there are many factors deciding the value of currency.
In here though you enter a strange and different world where perceived reality is altogether different.