The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I have no fight with anyone. I'm on a debate forum, debating. I'm not really sure what you think you're doing.

I'm sorry that people like me don't find your answers and posts definitive enough so we can all pack up and go home after reading them. But that's how it goes.

Ha ha ha ha.
Right.
Really?

Look ahead a few posts - where you pick on another poster, accuse them and try to argue with them too.
Shameful behaviour from you to be honest.
Those of us not blindly loyal to your cause knew this already though.

IveSeenTheLight

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Why would an IS

Hi Thruglemire, whilst I understand your abbreviation, it does evoke an unfortunate similar abbreviation to an organisation no-one would want to be considered with.
I'm sure this was just an unfortunate coincidence and not deliberate, but I have seen iScotland used in these forums and in no way could be confused with IS.
Just a polite request and I appreciate your understanding

IveSeenTheLight

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Why would the UK be stuffed?

For Scotland it would only be 11% of trade and a risk to 120,000 jobs.

As opposed to 64% of trade and 500,000 jobs.

It's not been answered, it's been glossed over because it cannot be answered. Independence is bad for Scottish jobs.

It has been answered.
Your extreme position is based on Scotland losing jobs as a result of being unable to trade with the rUK as part of the EU.

1. You dismiss the impact on that situation on UK jobs which would not be able to trade with the EU (circa £240B).
2. You also dismiss that the trade between rUK and Scotland is greater (£65B) than the trade from Scotland to rUK (£50B), again highlighting more jobs would be at risk fo rUK
3. Finally, you also dismiss the types of export between Scotland and rUK and why currently the rUK needs that trade.

Your putting forward a case that shows a negative impact for only Scotland, without considering the balanced view on what the impact would be to the UK (rUK) in that extreme situation.

As I said, in this extreme hypothesis, I'd rather be in a market 8 times larger than the rUK and thus your position actually makes the case for independence stronger.

IveSeenTheLight

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A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Darn, already answered and correctly too.
Just to remind you though, there was no dictatorial demand This was not the first, and presumably not the last where you try to be a moderator and dictate what and how often some post; there was a suggestion on options if you really want to.
We know comprehension is not a strong point with you though.Ok, this was a suggestion, that followed numerous other posts of demand


As the following shows:

Not only completely wrong but again another yet attempt to provoke heated argument that has been discussed to death in here!
As said, it cannot be answered.
Neither of the options has happened.
Move on.I would like to move on, but when the same mantra is repeated, why do you not expect the same responses to be made.
If I could politely ask you to point your dictatorship to the root cause, it would save a lot of correspondence with us.


And now please cease provocative and argumentative attempts.
Because you really do look more and more like one of those words that you say you hate (but keep using any way).I retain the right to debate and respond on a debate board as I feel accordingly.
I therefore decline your polite request on what, when and how I post


Before you even try (as I and most others know you will) I will not respond to the undoubtedly argumentative reply that as sure as night follows day will soon pop up from you.Thats your prerogative
If you really want to pick a fight I politely suggest trying other methods.Theres no fight, just debate.

mayonnaise

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

It has been answered.
Your extreme position is based on Scotland losing jobs as a result of being unable to trade with the rUK as part of the EU.

The twisting and squirming from the usual suspects is rather amusing indeed.
In the Brexit debate we keep getting told we'll just continue trading with the EU.
But when it comes to Scotland Indy, suddenly all rUK-Scotland trade is under threat. :rotfl:

TrickyTree83

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

It has been answered.
Your extreme position is based on Scotland losing jobs as a result of being unable to trade with the rUK as part of the EU.

1. You dismiss the impact on that situation on UK jobs which would not be able to trade with the EU (circa £240B).
2. You also dismiss that the trade between rUK and Scotland is greater (£65B) than the trade from Scotland to rUK (£50B), again highlighting more jobs would be at risk fo rUK
3. Finally, you also dismiss the types of export between Scotland and rUK and why currently the rUK needs that trade.

Your putting forward a case that shows a negative impact for only Scotland, without considering the balanced view on what the impact would be to the UK (rUK) in that extreme situation.

As I said, in this extreme hypothesis, I'd rather be in a market 8 times larger than the rUK and thus your position actually makes the case for independence stronger.

Right, I'm going to open by telling you to jog on.

I really am fed up to the back teeth with this type of !!!! lord posting now.

1. I clearly don't dismiss the impact of Brexit on the UK. I'm using the Fraser of Allander institute's analysis of the impact of Brexit on Scotland TO DISCUSS SCOTLAND on a thread about Scotland.

2. I don't dismiss the trade between the rUK and Scotland either, I constantly cite it because Scotland does far more trade with the rUK than it does with EVERYWHERE ELSE COMBINED.

3. The types of export? Are you going to say water again? OK, go to Google and have a look for the breakdown of the Scottish trade statistics. Tell me which is the biggest sector by far, it's not Whiskey, it's not water, it's not agriculture either.

HERE'S A HINT:

Exports to the rest of the UK rely more heavily on the service sector than
international exports. In 2015, services accounted for 55% of all rest of the UK
exports compared with 38% of international exports. Just under a quarter (23%) of
exports to the rest of the UK are from manufacturing sectors whereas they make up
over half (52%) of international exports.

Source: http://www.gov.scot/Resource/0051/00514198.pdf

I do not dismiss it, I say in my post to s555sss that an independent Scotland will cause pain, needless pain, on both sides of the divide. Much more so than Brexit can ever hope to achieve for both sets of people. But you won't have it.

mayonnaise

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Right, I'm going to open by telling you to jog on.

I really am fed up to the back teeth with this type of !!!! lord posting now.

Take a deep breath....and relax...

TrickyTree83

mayonnaise wrote: »

The twisting and squirming from the usual suspects is rather amusing indeed.
In the Brexit debate we keep getting told we'll just continue trading with the EU.
But when it comes to Scotland Indy, suddenly all rUK-Scotland trade is under threat. :rotfl:

I presume you don't mean me.

Because I've consistently said a good EU deal makes Scottish independence a more viable prospect. A bad/no EU deal is the worst possible situation for Scotland to become independent.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

mayonnaise wrote: »

Take a deep breath....and relax...

..... at posters determined to do no more than squabble?

Why should these posters be allowed to post their nonsense without question, Mayo?
Is it perhaps because you too are one such?

sss555s

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Right, I'm going to open by telling you to jog on.

I really am fed up to the back teeth with this type of !!!! lord posting now.


I do not dismiss it, I say in my post to s555sss that an independent Scotland will cause pain, needless pain, on both sides of the divide. Much more so than Brexit can ever hope to achieve for both sets of people. But you won't have it.

Why are you getting abusive? and if you don't like people having to reply to you repeating random "fear" quotes then don't keep posting them or better still, leave the thread if you're "fed up replying"

An independent Scotland connected to the EU will be in a far better position than just connected to the UK only. Brexit has had a large affect on my costs and it hasn't even started yet.

My company buys products produced outside of the EU and the EU base is in the Netherlands. My cost has increased because Brexit has trashed the exchange rate and it is very hard to pass on this extra cost in a competitive market. When the UK leaves the EU, my costs will increase more.
Anything you buy from the USA is way more expensive on top of the exchange rate change.
Any currency I have had to get post the Brexit announcement has been a very poor rate.
Insurance has increased.

These are just a few examples of the pain Brexit is bringing to Scots when Scots voted against it.

I for one would far rather be part of a future Scotland being part of the EU who has a better World trading conditions with the main economy's than the UK will ever have. Those pains would be worth it and the UK would be happy to trade with us just as we would be happy to trade with them.