The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

HornetSaver

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

It's quite well documented that SNP support has anti-english sentiments running through it. And no I'm not confusing the two since they are seen as the same thing. The UK government is made up mostly of English MP's. Calling it Westminster, or the UK government is dodging the issue which is that Scotland doesn't like to be told what to do by its bigger neighbour (despite the subsidies), which is quite frankly democratic and this translates into an anti-english feeling. If the national view was that we were all British living in Britain we wouldn't be having this discussion, yet the Scottish don't feel that way and the English have no choice but to feel British as there's no other kind of representation available!

I think there is a distinction between the two. The Scottish have always felt more Scottish than British, on a scale that has never been true of the English. But the idea of being Scottish and not British is a relatively recent one. Even ten years ago, the idea of an adult living to see the day that a majority of Scots would back independence was absurd.

It's not absurd now of course. The combined factors of it being very difficult to turn someone into a unionist once they have decided that they are in favour of independence, and the English and Welsh having freely voted for an Economic Undoing, makes Scottish independence in the next five years more likely than not.

elantan

.string. wrote: »

That figures, but same difference.

Nope ... sorry to dissapointed you ... you cannae blame the SNP as much as you would like to

Ps... I didnt actually make it up I just copied it ...

Mistermeaner

Shouty little Nicola has found as new platform to whinge from. Its quite cute watching Scotland with its foreign policy. A bit like a child baking in a toy kitchen.

Leanne1812

Mistermeaner wrote: »

Shouty little Nicola has found as new platform to whinge from. Its quite cute watching Scotland with its foreign policy. A bit like a child baking in a toy kitchen.

She has a plan at least.......does anyone else?

.string.

Mistermeaner wrote: »

Shouty little Nicola has found as new platform to whinge from. Its quite cute watching Scotland with its foreign policy. A bit like a child baking in a toy kitchen.

I wouldn't put it in those terms, it's the SNP, specifically Salmond and Sturgeon , being vainglorious. It's not Scotland per se. One needs to distinguish between the two or we play into the hands of the SNP policy of division.

Actually Sturgeon has a right to state opinions on foreign matters and Salmond has a right, presumably, to keep up his airmiles, but neither has the right to conduct or attempt to alter UK foreign policy.

The PM should make that clear now before relations are spoiled between the UK and another country.

Mistermeaner

her plan is rediculous. Its as viable as me approaching the EU on behalf of cheshire to negotiate my home town staying in the EU.

Also its highly irresponsible and divisive; scotland voted to remain in the UK and the UK has voted to leave the EU, the UKK now needs to get the best deal it can and having a shouty whinge bag from a minor region of the UK attempting to pursue its own agenda of negotiation will result in subpar outcome for everyone.

If scotland wants its own seat at the table it needs to vote out of the UK first - why doesn;t she focus on that. Step one, voluntarily return all Barnett money to demonstrate to the scottish people that an Iscotland is independently economically viable.

Until scotland stands on its own 2 feet economically it should shut up and work with the UK government instead of pursuing its own agenda

zagubov

Tromking wrote: »

Depends on the size of the layers IMO.
A 500 seat English parliament with a 100 seat federal one doesn't add to the payroll too much. I've never quite got the England is too big for one parliament argument.

This.

England deserves devolution, a parliament and a government. In fact I don't think devolution would be enough, we need to be part of a federacy.

zagubov

I would be interested in seeing if BoJo pops up with a plan for the future that involved the UK joining EFTA and the EEA. I've always believed the SNP have too much faith in the EU. If they had gone independent in 2014 they'd have been better in EFTA and the EEA. I feel that may also be better for the UK in general but is it too big to join?

Going4TheDream

Mistermeaner wrote: »

her plan is rediculous. Its as viable as me approaching the EU on behalf of cheshire to negotiate my home town staying in the EU.

Also its highly irresponsible and divisive; scotland voted to remain in the UK and the UK has voted to leave the EU, the UKK now needs to get the best deal it can and having a shouty whinge bag from a minor region of the UK attempting to pursue its own agenda of negotiation will result in subpar outcome for everyone.

If scotland wants its own seat at the table it needs to vote out of the UK first - why doesn;t she focus on that. Step one, voluntarily return all Barnett money to demonstrate to the scottish people that an Iscotland is independently economically viable.

Until scotland stands on its own 2 feet economically it should shut up and work with the UK government instead of pursuing its own agenda

I truly dont think we should underestimate Sturgeon. it is reported today that the SNP s going to ask parliament to allow the SNP to become the official commons opposition in the light of the Labour fiasco.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36660386

TrickyTree83

Going4TheDream wrote: »

I truly dont think we should underestimate Sturgeon. it is reported today that the SNP s going to ask parliament to allow the SNP to become the official commons opposition in the light of the Labour fiasco.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36660386

That is absurd.

I'd agree with posters above that English devolution is required if the SNP continue like this.

The English have only the British parliament as representation, unless we're going to truly recognise the British parliament has supremacy and stop this SNP circus and that Scotland is a state within the nation of the United Kingdom and it is a regional parliament, not a national one.