The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

IveSeenTheLight

cogito wrote: »

How do you define a soft Brexit? I'm curious because every time a soft Brexit is mentioned is seems to involve remaining in the single market with all that entails and would actually mean remaining in the EU without being a member.

The rUK will negotiate a trade deal with all of the 27 countries post Brexit, because they will want to keep trading with the EU countries.
Its unlikely it will be a deal as good as or better than the current position.

A soft Brexit is achieving as much as beneficially possible, on areas agreeable for both sides.

So it may mean not paying into the pot going forward, but then we would not receive anything back either.

It may mean that access is still available to the single market with a small fractional percentage fee applied, saving multiple re-negotiations.

It may mean a lot of things concessed on both sides.

A hard Brexit is none of the above and potentially impacting the relationships between the EU countries and the UK

cogito

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

The currency question was a factor, but by far and away the biggest part that swung it was the mantra that THE only way to stay in the EU, to stay within a single market, was to choose to remain within the UK.

That's plainly not the case now

Correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't shakey been saying that Scotland can join the EEA/EFTA instantly on gaining independence and thus stay in the single market. So that wasn't the only way.

cogito

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

The rUK will negotiate a trade deal with all of the 27 countries post Brexit, because they will want to keep trading with the EU countries.
Its unlikely it will be a deal as good as or better than the current position.

A soft Brexit is achieving as much as beneficially possible, on areas agreeable for both sides.

So it may mean not paying into the pot going forward, but then we would not receive anything back either.

It may mean that access is still available to the single market with a small fractional percentage fee applied, saving multiple re-negotiations.

It may mean a lot of things concessed on both sides.

A hard Brexit is none of the above and potentially impacting the relationships between the EU countries and the UK

The UK may negotiate a trade deal with the EU or may not but you seem to be suggesting that if we don't, trade with the EU will stop. Surely you're not suggesting that?

There really isn't such a thing as having a soft Brexit and leaving the EU. You can have one or the other but not both.

IveSeenTheLight

cogito wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't shakey been saying that Scotland can join the EEA/EFTA instantly on gaining independence and thus stay in the single market. So that wasn't the only way.

I'm stating what Better Together claimed to the electorate in 2014.
The scaremongering was down to the unionists parties saying we were already in the EU as part of the UK but leaving the UK, would automatically mean leaving the EU as well

IveSeenTheLight

cogito wrote: »

The UK may negotiate a trade deal with the EU or may not but you seem to be suggesting that if we don't, trade with the EU will stop. Surely you're not suggesting that?

There really isn't such a thing as having a soft Brexit and leaving the EU. You can have one or the other but not both.

Why is there any negotiations at all then?

They are negotiating to get the best deal possible.
TM's hard line stance is not going to cut it in these negotiations and we will likely have the hardest of Brexits

A_Medium_Size_Jock

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Why is there any negotiations at all then?

To put it simply it is because the EU powers-that-be want to drain every little last ounce possible out of everyone they can.
See Greece for example.
In this case though out of the UK, who want to leave.
Since it is their club and their rules saying we must negotiate, we will make at least a show of it.
Though most realise that Eurocrats will cajole, squabble and coerce right up until the final stages when eventually they will decide to get down to the actual business of agreeing (or not, as the case may be) a compromise before the UK leaves.

But you visit other threads.
So you know what thoughts exist on Brexit.
If you really want to discuss the finery, go visit those threads.

wotsthat

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Aarghh - I really don't want to be accused of being another "clog-the-thread" poster but I can't let such utter bull poop go.

Most is correct; all is not.

But did these countries decide beforehand; as in before breaking ties with what was in use prior to independence?
Or did they just suddenly wake up one fine morning and think "Oh bu@@er - what will we use? The Hebrews want their Sheckels back." ????

You see, it would appear to be beyond the wit of the SNP who cannot say.

Sorry Jock what part of my words you've quoted is bull crap?

As far as I know every country either has their own currency or has adopted one. Yes, for sure, a newly independent Scotland would need to decide what to do but I guarantee you there will still be a currency you can use.

I think Scotland is already part of one of the world's most successful currency unions and should stay that way but, should independence arrive, I don't think the currency question will be that difficult to resolve.

There will be much bigger fish to fry.

A_Pict_In_A_Past_Life

wotsthat wrote: »

Sorry Jock what part of my words you've quoted is bull crap?

As far as I know every country either has their own currency or has adopted one. Yes, for sure, a newly independent Scotland would need to decide what to do but I guarantee you there will still be a currency you can use.

I think Scotland is already part of one of the world's most successful currency unions and should stay that way but, should independence arrive, I don't think the currency question will be that difficult to resolve.

There will be much bigger fish to fry.

Read this thread.
Many Scots, me included, disagree with you.
We have been handed lies and promises by the SNP for years and if there is going to be another try, I and many more will want to know.

wotsthat

A_Pict_In_A_Past_Life wrote: »

Another "not a clue" post.
Here is what a "backed currency" is:
http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/backed-currency.html

The SNP see an independent Scotland waltzing into the EU and the Euro. Therefore the practical solution is to either adopt Sterling or try and negotiate to remain in the Sterling currency union in the meantime.

A Scottish Groat isn't really necessary and wouldn't have to be backed. Generali did some good non-partisan posts in the old thread on currency options. There were pros and cons associated with each.

Shakethedisease

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

We have been around and around this point in circles over more than a few pages very recently.
Are you really going to attempt a new cycle of the same old same old?

Nah, but you seem to think ( wrongly ) what the polls show now and what happens in the next few weeks will decide the matter once and for all.

It won't. Polls change, so does public opinion and you still even nearly a year on, have any idea whatsoever what a Brexit is going to look like. It had better look very good to the Scots electorate by the time negotiations are over that's all I'm saying. 2014 doesn't matter now, and neither do current polls. Sturgeon wants an exit door to the Single Market left open and if it isn't happening via Westminster, it'll be via Holyrood in some form.