The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

IveSeenTheLight

.string. wrote: »

Well I leave judgement on that to the Scots here who will know, better than I, if Ruth is confining herself to one topic.

As to the relevance of the GE to the referendum we both know that will be argued either which way depending on how the votes go.

I only here one thing from RD, in Scotland.
I've been saying for some time in these forums.

I can scan their leaflet and post to show there is nothing on anything other than Independence.

Governments need a strong opposition.
SNP hold the government to account more than Labour at Westminster.

Maybe one of the issues is that RD and KD are so weak on policies in Scotland.

cogito

Shakethedisease wrote: »

The powers to change the UK constitution are reserved, I've never disputed that with you. Scottish elections on whatever the parties put on their manifestos are not. This GE is a Westminster election, not a Scottish GE. We had one of those last year.

If a majority of Scots indicate that they do want to leave the UK in any future referendum/vote. I'm not really sure what May can do other than say No, and then Sturgeon goes to the international powers that be over it.

Which international powers that be are these who have a say in UK constitutional affairs?

*laughing*

.string.

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

I only here one thing from RD, in Scotland.
I've been saying for some time in these forums.

I can scan their leaflet and post to show there is nothing on anything other than Independence.

Governments need a strong opposition. the SNP hold the government to account more than Labour at Westminster.

Maybe one of the issues is that RD and KD are so weak on policies in Scotland.

My highlighting.

No they don't, they conduct an SNP PR excercised and with few exceptions when someone makes a constructive detailed point, they are predictably whingers so are innefective. Everyone assumes, without even hearing what they say, that they are complaining. An effective oposition would make proposals so sensible they can't be ignored ; they don't, however much you like the SNP mood music.

Labour is likely, still, to get 4 times as many MPs as the SNP, so back in your box.

Of the Scottish MPs, Labour, possibly LibDem and certainly Tory Scottish MPs if elected would​ produce results of benefit to Scotland: it would, I imagine, be a priority to make it so.

Incessant whingeing does not produce positive results.

.string.

cogito wrote: »

Which international powers that be are these who have a say in UK constitutional affairs?

*laughing*

Apparently the SNP have the United Nations on their wish list. But as I mentioned a couple of posts ago, Mrs May can stop it dead.

Naturally if a Referendum were agreed and the conditions for it met then it would be respected by the UK and the UK population. But one outside constitutional agreement would not with 2 fingers up to any foreign intervention.

IveSeenTheLight

.string. wrote: »

My highlighting.

No they don't, they conduct an SNP PR excercised and with few exceptions when someone makes a constructive detailed point, they are predictably whingers so are innefective. Everyone assumes, without even hearing what they say, that they are complaining. An effective oposition would make proposals so sensible they can't be ignored ; they don't, however much you like the SNP mood music.

Labour is likely, still, to get 4 times as many MPs as the SNP, so back in your box.

Of the Scottish MPs, Labour, possibly LibDem and certainly Tory Scottish MPs if elected would​ produce results of benefit to Scotland: it would, I imagine, be a priority to make it so.

Incessant whingeing does not produce positive results.

My highlighting.

Stop assuming and try listening to the points then

Incidentally, I doubt Labour will return 4 times the amount of MP's in the seats they both contest.

Also, "back in your box". Don't get so wound up, it's only a debate board

kabayiri

.string. wrote: »

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I would stick to the well-justifyable argument that now is not the time due to the reasons we have exposed before and state that a suitable time will be after Brexit has bedded in, alternative trade agreements well under way, and the Scots know what it all means and has the information. After all why break up a Union which has enjoyed considerable success over 300 years in a frantic rush.
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May is being absolutely crystal clear.

This election is about her; about giving her the mandate to carry through Brexit.

Why else would her bus be plastered with "THERESA MAY FOR BRITAIN".

If the Tories win a decent majority this is all the vindication she needs.

Thrugelmir

kabayiri wrote: »

This election is about her; about giving her the mandate to carry through Brexit.

No, it's to give her a clear mandate to lead the country. With a manifesto of her own making. Rather than being tied to promises of the past.

Shakethedisease

cogito wrote: »

Which international powers that be are these who have a say in UK constitutional affairs?

*laughing*

All of them. As long as they accept Scotland's vote as legal, fair and democratic. Which it will be. May will be trying vainly to hold on to an entire country who doesn't wish to be held on to anymore. Westminster hasn't really managed that very well in the past. It won't fare any better with Scotland than it did with Ireland and a host of other countries who've left previously

Westminster said they couldn't leave either. Yet they all did. *smirks*

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

Apparently the SNP have the United Nations on their wish list. But as I mentioned a couple of posts ago, Mrs May can stop it dead.

She can't.

Naturally if a Referendum were agreed and the conditions for it met then it would be respected by the UK and the UK population. But one outside constitutional agreement would not with 2 fingers up to any foreign intervention.

Scotland after a Yes vote, would just ignore Westminster thereafter bar negotiations to leave ( like Brexit ). There would be no real Scottish representation there anymore and any policies, they wouldn't implement if they didn't agree with them. (pretty much most Tory ones ). You can flip the bird to anyone you like, but you'll just be laughed at most likely. While the grown ups get on with actual democracy and you can get on with trade suicide.

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

May is being absolutely crystal clear.

This election is about her; about giving her the mandate to carry through Brexit.

Why else would her bus be plastered with "THERESA MAY FOR BRITAIN".

If the Tories win a decent majority this is all the vindication she needs.

She's copying Davidson's campaign in 2016 almost exactly. Scots have seen all this before. No policies, relentless meaningless soundbites, making all about the person. It works to an extent but definitely not when they have to go beyond meaningless soundbites. It gets old, fast.