The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Shakethedisease

A_Pict_In_A_Past_Life wrote: »

As well as this.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/14/nicola-sturgeon-admits-independent-scotland-might-not-seek-immediate/

What have unionist posters on here been saying for so long now?
And remember, this if (and so far that is a very big if ) she can persuade a majority for independence
:T

This is a good move. Brings those who are both Pro-indy and anti-EU back fully on board with independence. Also kills all the trade and jobs arguments Tricky keeps going on about.

I wholeheartedly support this route and so do many others on the pro indy side. I've been saying for ages that when the UK leaves the EU if there's a transitional deal involving EEA/EFTA that Scotland should stay there after an indy vote until the dust settles. Single Market membership is Sturgeon's No 1 priority.

I'm sorry if you think this is an indy vote loser, because in actual fact Scotland joining EFTA for a few years if not permanently will be a good boost to the independence movement as Yes/Leave voters swing back behind Sturgeon over the next year or so. There's been a lot of noise about SNP/Yes voters who voted Leave last year. This is exactly what is what is needed to bring them back. As well as fishermen and farmers.

Full EU membership upon independence is beyond the SNP's control so this is a very good starting point for Scotland as things stand. Good news ! :T

mollycat

A_Pict_In_A_Past_Life wrote: »

As well as this.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/14/nicola-sturgeon-admits-independent-scotland-might-not-seek-immediate/

What have unionist posters on here been saying for so long now?
And remember, this if (and so far that is a very big if ) she can persuade a majority for independence
:T

So people that value the benefits of being in the UK won't vote YES.

People who wish to be in the EU won't vote YES.

People bright enough to envisage the associated austerity max won't vote YES.

People who want to respect democracy won't vote YES.

It's all going a bit pear shaped!!

mollycat

Shakethedisease wrote: »

This is a good move. Brings those who are both Pro-indy and anti-EU back fully on board with independence. Also kills all the trade and jobs arguments Tricky keeps going on about.

I wholeheartedly support this route and so do many others on the pro indy side. I've been saying for ages that when the UK leaves the EU if there's a transitional deal involving EEA/EFTA that Scotland should stay there after an indy vote until the dust settles. Single Market membership is Sturgeon's No 1 priority.

I'm sorry if you think this is an indy vote loser, because in actual fact Scotland joining EFTA for a few years if not permanently will be a good boost to the independence movement as Yes/Leave voters swing back behind Sturgeon over the next year or so. There's been a lot of noise about SNP/Yes voters who voted Leave last year. This is exactly what is what is needed to bring them back. As well as fishermen and farmers.

Full EU membership upon independence is beyond the SNP's control so this is a very good starting point for Scotland as things stand. Good news ! :T

I'll be polite here; consistency isn't your middle name is it??

Spin par exellence; only thing is, the rest of us can actually read, remember stuff and therefore are able to deduce you change your position/opinion like the wind, and have done for 500+ pages now.

Embarrassed? No, of course not

Shakethedisease

mollycat wrote: »

I think you will find I do!!

Google 2014 Independence Referendum result.

And we all know support has dropped since then.

Your posts are propaganda pure and simple; and it's not working, granny or no granny.

Get you lol ! It's not supposed to work on you or anyone here. I have no worries on that score at all. Just telling you how it is and plus, it gets you wound up like nothing else.

The Union is slowly slipping away from you, you can feel it happening and there's nothing you can do about it. Give it another two years of May and a hard Brexit and it'll be all over. Even dyed in the wool Labour No voters will be gagging to get out by then. They're the voters who are going to swing this away from Davidson and her no indy ref chants. They don't like the Tories and especially Tories like May.

That's what's going to kill the union off in the end, not the SNP. It'll be left leaning Scottish Labour voters finally giving up on it and their party. A long time coming, but coming it is after June 8th.

ONE of the UK’s leading political scientists has dismissed claims that the Scottish Tories are enjoying an upsurge in working class support.

Curtice, a professor of politics at Strathclyde University, added: "People's initial reaction was that the Tories are winning in working class Scotland, but if the Tories win 25 per cent of the vote of course the electoral system is going to reflect that.

"So they are gaining traction, but not any particular traction. It was mainly in places in the North East and Borders, Moray, Aberdeenshire and Perthshire – all locations where the Tories have won support in the relatively recent past, but where their vote collapsed in the late 1990s."

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15284714.Expert_exposes_the_myth_of_Tory_working_class_revival/?ref=twtrec

Shakethedisease

mollycat wrote: »

I'll be polite here; consistency isn't your middle name is it??

Spin par exellence; only thing is, the rest of us can actually read, remember stuff and therefore are able to deduce you change your position/opinion like the wind, and have done for 500+ pages now.

Embarrassed? No, of course not

I'm going to avoid getting into a personal spat with you over what I have or haven't said during the course of this thread. I said what I said on EFTA many times, and also that Sturgeon's No1 goal is remaining in the Single Market.

The cold hard fact of the matter is that EFTA/EEA membership would bring pro indy/leave voters back fully on board. I've also said that many times. This is a good option for Sturgeon to persue imo and I know many other pro indy supporters also regard it as a good option going forward. It kills off all the 'but rUK trade is worth 4 times EU trade' stuff too. Scotland can have the best of both worlds with this option, as well as making winning an independence referendum/vote in two years time much more likely as those who do not want to be a full EU member return to the Yes side, along with fishermen, farmers, EU nationals, ex Labour No voters who can't stand the Tories etc. In other words it's a no brainer. It's also hardly likely that full on remain EU voters are going to start voting No in droves... in order to stay in a UK which is out of the EU is it ?

It is what it is. A good move and one Sturgeon should start making noises about immediately after this GE is over. Scotland can persue full EU membership once independence is done and dusted via a Scottish GE with the parties standing on it ( or not ), or via a Scottish referendum a few years down the line.

But independence first.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Get you lol ! It's not supposed to work on you or anyone here. I have no worries on that score at all. Just telling you how it is and plus, it gets you wound up like nothing else.

The Union is slowly slipping away from you, you can feel it happening and there's nothing you can do about it. Give it another two years of May and a hard Brexit and it'll be all over. Even dyed in the wool Labour No voters will be gagging to get out by then. They're the voters who are going to swing this away from Davidson and her no indy ref chants. They don't like the Tories and especially Tories like May.

That's what's going to kill the union off in the end, not the SNP. It'll be left leaning Scottish Labour voters finally giving up on it and their party. A long time coming, but coming it is after June 8th.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15284714.Expert_exposes_the_myth_of_Tory_working_class_revival/?ref=twtrec

Uh-huh.
Right.
The Union slipping away?
LOL indeed, what a ridiculous statement.
Of course, not that it's you who's scared because of this:

Polls suggest the Tories could win up to a quarter of Scotland's 59 seats in the election - a significant reversal of fortunes.

http://news.sky.com/story/tory-optimism-grows-in-scotland-after-very-dark-years-10875063

(I said earlier, twelve seats plus. )

Or this:

Poll suggests Tories could win a dozen Scottish seats

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/scotland/poll-suggests-tories-could-win-a-dozen-scottish-seats-nzljz2l5b

:T

Shakethedisease

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Uh-huh.
Right.
The Union slipping away?
LOL indeed, what a ridiculous statement.
Of course, not that it's you who's scared because of this:

http://news.sky.com/story/tory-optimism-grows-in-scotland-after-very-dark-years-10875063

(I said earlier, twelve seats plus. )

Or this:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/scotland/poll-suggests-tories-could-win-a-dozen-scottish-seats-nzljz2l5b

:T

It's not going to do you any good against an SNP that net 40+ of them though. Sorry, I don't know what good you think these seats are going to do you in the next two years ? What do you think is going to magically happen with them ?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Shakethedisease wrote: »

It's not going to do you any good against an SNP that net 40+ of them though. Sorry, I don't know what good you think these seats are going to do you in the next two years ? What do you think is going to magically happen with them ?

Your spin must be making you dizzy.

Do you mean - apart from reducing what little mandate the SNP think they have?
Or do you mean apart from reducing SNP presence in Westminster?

Next you will say the prospect of increased Tory seats is a good thing.
(It is, for many Scots BTW.)

mollycat

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Get you lol ! It's not supposed to work on you or anyone here. I have no worries on that score at all. Just telling you how it is and plus, it gets you wound up like nothing else.

Wound up, me?

Retire next year, Dundee FC staying up, SNP vote disappearing like snow off a dyke.....life's good grandma!

Think you'll find it's me, TT, string, AMSJ, enterprise, Optimist, Kaybari, Islandannie, APIAPL, Cogito, Thrugelmir etc, etc, ect telling you how it is.

Type your propaganda till your fingers bleed....you've only one vote, people like me have many more.

NO voters like me are doing you the biggest favour of your life; even though you don't have the insight to appreciate it.

Shakethedisease

mollycat wrote: »

Wound up, me?

Retire next year, Dundee FC staying up, SNP vote disappearing like snow off a dyke.....life's good grandma!

Think you'll find it's me, TT, string, AMSJ, enterprise, Optimist, Kaybari, Islandannie, APIAPL, Cogito, Thrugelmir etc, etc, ect telling you how it is.

Type your propaganda till your fingers bleed....you've only one vote, people like me have many more.

NO voters like me are doing you the biggest favour of your life; even though you don't have the insight to appreciate it.

That's your problem though. You're far too concerned about the other posters in here than discussing what's going on on the ground in Scotland. Where you and others here seem absolutely convinced the Tories are on course for some sort of 'landslide' victory beating the SNP. They're not though, and you know it. And I'm doing you a favour by bringing your false hopes back down to earth. There will be no Tory landslide, and no Tory victory in Scotland.

Your Unionist MPs in a few weeks aren't going to save the union. Neither is Brexit. You haven't really got anything left after June 8th apart from Davidson trying to sell her party and their policies to Labour voters who cannot stand her or May. As well as vainly trying to stop a vote which.. if the SNP decide to dissolve Holyrood and call in 2019 ( or go to court ) will happen regardless. How are you going to stop it with a few MP's that don't even sit in Scotland's parliament ?

EFTA/EEA is an extremely wise and pragmatic option for Sturgeon to take while still aiming for the overall goal. And it's certainly very good news for any future independence campaign in bringing those Yes - Leave voters back, as well and keeping those recent No - Yes switchers after the Brexit vote.

I'm very, very proud and lucky to be a grandmother too.