The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

.string.

SNP candidate confirms Law Society of Scotland probe

Not Shakey''s favourite I recall.

Probably a minor issue but I mention it to balance comments made before about wicked Tory candidates.

Which reminds me - I suggest a reposte from the SNP:

"It happened when she was Tory."

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

Sturgeon's job must be very difficult, trying to follow only those policies which are amenable to IndySpin.
Sturgeon: 50p income tax rate 'under review'

The article says it all really. Sitting on the fence as long as possible seems to be the current policy. When she comes down you can be sure it will be the one opposite to the Tory Policy whatever that may be so she will probably stay on the fence until the Tory Manifesto is published.

If it's something the Tories are moaning and groaning about (ie fence sitting/taxes ) then it's 99.9% usually the case.. that it's the best thing for the SNP to do within whatever scenario it occurs.

Scottish only and UK tax rates are different things. There's very little evidence indeed to suggest Scots voters will be over the moon at paying extra in Scotland only taxes, to mitigate policies instituted at UK level at Westminster by the Conservatives. Sturgeon's probably gotten the balance just about right and in the middle by keeping Scottish taxes exactly the same as last year, but not lowering the higher rate like elsewhere in the UK. So while Scots taxpayers right now might be paying more when compared, in reality all Scots are paying exactly what they were the year previously. So there's nothing huge in the way of taxpayer complaints or protest.

If a 50p rate is ever introduced UK wide, then the SNP will be quite happy with that. Until then though, the situation as it is now ( under constant review ) is smack bang in the middle of the Conservatives on one side ( UK wide cut), and Scottish Labour ( who want to raise devolved income taxes ). The SNP should stay as they are with this for the time being since they've just about got a good balance there between UK/Scotland income tax.

Shakethedisease

Shaka_Zulu wrote: »

I watched the Question Time last night from Edinburgh, it was embarrassing, nationalist boors creating an air of menace and booing whenever anyone said anything they didn't like particularly when Ben Wallace spoke.

They just paint a picture of the Scots as nasty ill mannered people to the rest of the world and I can only apologise, thankfully they remain a small minority in the country.

Only caught up with this last night. BBC vetting procedures don't seem to have worked too well regarding the first guy up with a question ( a Tory councillor who didn't declare it).
MerrynSomerset-Webb ( Scotland in Union ) screeching at Cherry was painful to watch. The Tory bloke Wallace seemed unaware of what Davidson's policies were in the recent council elections ( none ) and Thornberry was quite patronising. The audience ( Edinburgh ) seemed pretty hostile to Wallace. That's what I told you would happen when folks finally realised the Tories were making gains up here as evidenced with the council elections. They've gotten a wake up call.

Davidson had a terrible interview yesterday on 5live. Also painful to listen to when she was asked about policies concerning Scotland. Nice to hear her interviewed by a real journalist for a change.

Next up was immigration, where Ruth Davidson mounted a passionate case for more immigration to Scotland, whilst failing to explain how Scotland can reasonably be expected to achieve this when the UK Tory Govt is hell bent on reducing immigration to the tens of thousands. ‘But you’re not going to get any more migrants if she (the PM) achieves this goal for the UK as a whole?’, the interviewer pointed out, understandably confused by the confusing Tory line.

Realising that she’d pushed a button with this line, though, Emma went in for the gentle kill:
‘Is that not uncomfortable for you, that they [Scottish Government] have to spend money that is devolved to Scotland on getting people out of a bad place that the Government in Westminster has put them in – your Government?’

http://www.bellacaledonia.org.uk/2017/05/11/ruth-meets-a-journalist/

Her new councillors are falling like flies over racist, bigoted and homophobic views they've expressed. And one of her fishermen pals has just been reported to the police over his.

Ruth Davidson poses with bigoted trawlerman who tweeted ‘take her out’ threat about Nicola Sturgeon

Buchan’s Twitter account shows the picture of himself with Davidson. Below it can be found references to First Minister Nicola Sturgeon as “one deluded B**CH!!” and he also called on Prime Minister Theresa May to “F-K the Nationlst B**ch!!.
Last August and September he tweeted that “somebody should take the Nat b**ch out” and “somebody take her down please.”

In February when Brendan Cox, widower of the MP Jo Cox murdered by a white supremacist, tweeted to ask for help to mark the anniversary of her death, Buchan tweeted: “You are having a laugh” and in another reference to Brendan Cox tweeted: “For f***s sake give us a break you socialist liberal w*****s!!!

Lovely, lovely people. Davidson needs a better PR team and some policies quick.

kabayiri

.string. wrote: »

SNP candidate confirms Law Society of Scotland probe

Not Shakey''s favourite I recall.

Probably a minor issue but I mention it to balance comments made before about wicked Tory candidates.

Which reminds me - I suggest a reposte from the SNP:

"It happened when she was Tory."

Without the lovely Tasmina, then fun publications like Private Eye would be a fraction of their size.

I'm surprised it's taken this long. There's been a few issues raised a while back and not just with Tasmina.

I wonder if Nicola S reads Private Eye?

.string.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

If it's something the Tories are moaning and groaning about (ie fence sitting/taxes ) then it's 99.9% usually the case.. that it's the best thing for the SNP to do within whatever scenario it occurs.

Scottish only and UK tax rates are different things. There's very little evidence indeed to suggest Scots voters will be over the moon at paying extra in Scotland only taxes, to mitigate policies instituted at UK level at Westminster by the Conservatives. Sturgeon's probably gotten the balance just about right and in the middle by keeping Scottish taxes exactly the same as last year, but not lowering the higher rate like elsewhere in the UK. So while Scots taxpayers right now might be paying more when compared, in reality all Scots are paying exactly what they were the year previously. So there's nothing huge in the way of taxpayer complaints or protest.

If a 50p rate is ever introduced UK wide, then the SNP will be quite happy with that. Until then though, the situation as it is now ( under constant review ) is smack bang in the middle of the Conservatives on one side ( UK wide cut), and Scottish Labour ( who want to raise devolved income taxes ). The SNP should stay as they are with this for the time being since they've just about got a good balance there between UK/Scotland income tax.

Can't say I disagree with much of that although I might quibble withe the use of the term "best thing", because I think the best thing the SNP could do would be to .........

Reminds me of an old joke

Little birds do sing
And great big cows do Moo
But all that little flies can do
Is ..... on everything

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Only caught up with this last night. BBC vetting procedures don't seem to have worked too well regarding the first guy up with a question ( a Tory councillor who didn't declare it).
MerrynSomerset-Webb ( Scotland in Union ) screeching at Cherry was painful to watch. The Tory bloke Wallace seemed unaware of what Davidson's policies were in the recent council elections ( none ) and Thornberry was quite patronising. The audience ( Edinburgh ) seemed pretty hostile to Wallace. That's what I told you would happen when folks finally realised the Tories were making gains up here as evidenced with the council elections. They've gotten a wake up call.

Davidson had a terrible interview yesterday on 5live. Also painful to listen to when she was asked about policies concerning Scotland. Nice to hear her interviewed by a real journalist for a change.
http://www.bellacaledonia.org.uk/2017/05/11/ruth-meets-a-journalist/

Her new councillors are falling like flies over racist, bigoted and homophobic views they've expressed. And one of her fishermen pals has just been reported to the police over his.



Lovely, lovely people. Davidson needs a better PR team and some policies quick.

Can't we tell a general election is looming?

Perhaps you mean ......... equally as lovely as these:

Nicola Sturgeon's link to vile internet trolls revealed: SNP leader follows bullies on Twitter and previously met with one of them

• Robert Dickson used the C-word on this Twitter feed some 69 times
• Cybernat Dickson saved some of his vilest abuse for female politicians
• Dickson also abused former Scottish Labour leader Jim Murphy
• The cybernat met with SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon and even Tweeted her

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3136773/Sturgeon-link-vile-internet-trolls-revealed-SNP-leader-follows-bullies-Twitter-previously-met-one-them.html


Or these:

JK Rowling has said that she was called a “traitor”, a “!!!!!” and a “!!!!!” and “lambasted for taking Scottish benefits” following her decision to support the campaign to keep Scotland a part of the UK last year.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/may/05/jk-rowling-responds-to-twitter-attacks




How about (and I realise this will be a novel new approach for you) trying to promote what you seek along positive lines rather than negativity and even nastiness?

Shakethedisease

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Can't we tell a general election is looming?

Perhaps you mean ......... equally as lovely as these:
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3136773/Sturgeon-link-vile-internet-trolls-revealed-SNP-leader-follows-bullies-Twitter-previously-met-one-them.html


Or these:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/may/05/jk-rowling-responds-to-twitter-attacks




How about (and I realise this will be a novel new approach for you) trying to promote what you seek along positive lines rather than negativity and even nastiness?

SNP candidate confirms Law Society of Scotland probe

Can you tell there's an election looming ? Still, while the SNP face this sort of intense scrutiny all the time. This is a very new thing for Davidson used as she is to laughing and giggling her way through soft soap interviews. But there's no reason why she can't be treated and held to the same standards other political parties and leaders are in Scotland. Good to see that she is finally.

Just a shame ( well not really, I think it's been a long time coming ) she's struggling so much with it right now. Her interview yesterday was truly dire when she was asked real questions on Tory policy that didn't reference the SNP/indy. She needs to wisen up fast, she's not going to get away with chortling her way through interviews, not answering questions on UK Tory policy over the next few weeks and constantly carping on about an indy ref and nothing else. Not when the SNP and Labour are going to be focusing so much fire power and attention on the Tory Party, May and Brexit.

The first sign that this wasn’t going to be your normal fawning over the leader of the ‘Tory revival’ style BBC interview came when Ruth’s tired opening rant about the SNP’s constitutional obsession was interrupted with the following:

‘I’m happy you brought that up, because I was going to ask, are you obsessed with the question of independence for Scotland?” The interviewer then highlighted a Tory local election leaflet which mentioned Nicola Sturgeon, the SNP, or independence a grand total of 43 times – whilst containing nothing about local issues such as education, concluding with ‘Are you actually obsessed with independence as an issue?”

Ruth’s fumbling inability to explain how this did not represent a party obsessed with the constitution left her looking rather, well, obsessed with the constitution

.string.

Yes questions can be tricky sometimes.

So what is your answer to the question of post 10197 Shakey?

cogito

.string. wrote: »

Yes questions can be tricky sometimes.

So what is your answer to the question of post 10197 Shakey?

Told you not to hold your breath.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Can you tell there's an election looming ? Still, while the SNP face this sort of intense scrutiny all the time. This is a very new thing for Davidson used as she is to laughing and giggling her way through soft soap interviews. But there's no reason why she can't be treated and held to the same standards other political parties and leaders are in Scotland. Good to see that she is finally.

Just a shame ( well not really, I think it's been a long time coming ) she's struggling so much with it right now. Her interview yesterday was truly dire when she was asked real questions on Tory policy that didn't reference the SNP/indy. She needs to wisen up fast, she's not going to get away with chortling her way through interviews, not answering questions on UK Tory policy over the next few weeks and constantly carping on about an indy ref and nothing else. Not when the SNP and Labour are going to be focusing so much fire power and attention on the Tory Party, May and Brexit.

Such desperation from pro-indy types.
How unusual.
How original.
:whistle:

This pretty much sums up a normalised opinion of this supposed "car crash" interview:

"Now, you can be forgiven for wondering what all the hype is about. In common with most experienced politicians, Ruth Davidson did not lose her cool, and did not get tangled up in mumbled responses. She restated questions in her own terms, she deflected and she simply avoided answering some of the trickier questions. So it wasn’t a Car Crash interview, but it was notable nonetheless; the reason being that it was one of the only times any BBC interviewer, or any journalist at all, had actually challenged Ruth Davidson with some searching questions."

That from Rab Bruce's Spider, no less.
What a day, when these accept it but some here can't.


There's no need to go further; the deflection and misinterpretation discussed in Rab Bruce's Spider are no more and no less than most politicians practise as we all know.
No matter what their persuasion.


http://rbs.postach.io/post/a-minor-bump