The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Shaka_Zulu

I wonder if Nicola is praying that the Gordon constituency will be lost?

There is nothing worse for a party than having the old leader hanging around like a bad smell.

IveSeenTheLight

Shaka_Zulu wrote: »

I wonder if Nicola is praying that the Gordon constituency will be lost?

There is nothing worse for a party than having the old leader hanging around like a bad smell.

I doubt that. Salmond is going for a Westminster seat, not a Holyrood one.

He had a 47% of the vote last time with the lib dems in second and the Conservatives in third with 1/4 of the votes SNP had.

Conservatives were 21,000 votes behind Salmond (SNP) with a 58,000 turnout.

It was a 14% swing from Lib Dems to SNP last time

The conservative candidate also got 25% less votes in 2015 than they did in 2010.

It would have to be some swing to go from yellow to blue

Thrugelmir

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

What does that mean?
It's corporation tax we're discussing as one option to grow an economy and subsequent exports.
It's not global warming

It's a proposal that needs ALL member states to agree to.
With European Corporate tax ranging from 9% to 34% it's going to be difficult to get a common agreement.

You shouldn't read everything literally.

Low tax rates don't equate to growth and exports. Holding companies based in the Netherlands, Eire and Luxembourg spring to mind. Mind you MacDonalds is scrapping it's Luxembourg tax base and returning to the UK. With the EU currently looking into activities of Amazon, BP, Apple, Starbucks, Fiat, AB InBev to name a few. Days look numbered.

IveSeenTheLight

Thrugelmir wrote: »

You shouldn't read everything literally.

Low tax rates don't equate to growth and exports. Holding companies based in the Netherlands, Eire and Luxembourg spring to mind. Mind you MacDonalds is scrapping it's Luxembourg tax base and returning to the UK. With the EU currently looking into activities of Amazon, BP, Apple, Starbucks, Fiat, AB InBev to name a few. Days look numbered.

For the days to be numbered, you must think that an agreement can be reached for all member states.

TrickyTree83

@ISTL: I think people accuse you of trolling because you can't answer a simple closed question sometimes. The answer can be yes or no but you will reply with something remotely related to the specific point being raised and start hammering the tangent until the issue you don't want to face up to goes away.

Example - you brought up a tangent which looked at the amount of trade between rUK and Scotland and asked if Westminster would really risk it. The obvious answer is no because neither the UK or Scotland will have a say in that situation. The deal will already have been struck. So there can be no magic solutions as you say. iScotland in the EU has to adhere to EU trade policies, that's not up for discussion. Whatever the outcome of the article 50 negotiations will be what an iScotland will inherit, either as part if the UK or as part of the EU. So as I've said many times before - success of Scottish independence in the short to medium term (possibly even long term) hinges on there being a good deal between the UK and the EU. Anything approaching the WTO side of the spectrum of the deal and Scottish independence is nothing more than a dream, probably consigned to history at that point until such time as a Scottish government balances their budget and reorients Scotland's trade balance away from the UK nations. An impossible task at that point I believe.

fun4everyone

One day the SNP will respect the sovereign will of the Scottish people. Maybe then we will be able to get back to actually focusing on ploughing time and energy into something useful for our country.


Sadly however, perhaps my first sentence is an impossibility.

IveSeenTheLight

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

@ISTL: I think people accuse you of trolling because you can't answer a simple closed question sometimes. The answer can be yes or no but you will reply with something remotely related to the specific point being raised and start hammering the tangent until the issue you don't want to face up to goes away.

Example - you brought up a tangent which looked at the amount of trade between rUK and Scotland and asked if Westminster would really risk it. The obvious answer is no because neither the UK or Scotland will have a say in that situation. The deal will already have been struck. So there can be no magic solutions as you say. iScotland in the EU has to adhere to EU trade policies, that's not up for discussion. Whatever the outcome of the article 50 negotiations will be what an iScotland will inherit, either as part if the UK or as part of the EU. So as I've said many times before - success of Scottish independence in the short to medium term (possibly even long term) hinges on there being a good deal between the UK and the EU. Anything approaching the WTO side of the spectrum of the deal and Scottish independence is nothing more than a dream, probably consigned to history at that point until such time as a Scottish government balances their budget and reorients Scotland's trade balance away from the UK nations. An impossible task at that point I believe.

The thing is, I don't believe we live in a binary, black and white world.
So if a point is raised such as 500k jobs at risk because of £50B trade export between Scotland and rUK, then I naturally look at the broader picture and consider the other side of the coin.
In this example it's importing £65B from rUK and as such I consider the impact in the reverse direction.

Before we consider the more detail over what is exported / imported and the reliance of those trades as well.

What your suggesting is that the deal is set and iScotland would need to abide those rules and if those rules predetermined that an iScotland cannot deal with the rUK, then the rUK would be well and truly stuffed and conceivably the switch to a market 8 times that of rUK would be the preference anyway.

So hopefully you can understand why in circumstances such as the above, I believe there is no yes or no answer. There is no black or white. There is no rUK or EU binary answer.

What there is, is opportunity to maximise the position, to adjust given the known facts and to find a solution for the best interests of the electorate.

P.s. The above is not a troll, just an open and honest opinion in a debate board.

Shaka_Zulu

I watched the Question Time last night from Edinburgh, it was embarrassing, nationalist boors creating an air of menace and booing whenever anyone said anything they didn't like particularly when Ben Wallace spoke.

They just paint a picture of the Scots as nasty ill mannered people to the rest of the world and I can only apologise, thankfully they remain a small minority in the country.

Shaka_Zulu

Enterprise_1701C

fun4everyone wrote: »

One day the SNP will respect the sovereign will of the Scottish people. Maybe then we will be able to get back to actually focusing on ploughing time and energy into something useful for our country.


Sadly however, perhaps my first sentence is an impossibility.

I thought I had stumbled on a comedy thread there for a minute :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: